Talk:Lihnida kajče veslaše

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I must admit I never thought there would be a dispute about Greek versus Macedonian Lychnidos, but in any case, the language that this town name came from 2000 years ago, was certainly not slavic in origin.

The article doesn't suggest that. --WavesSaid (talk) 03:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

@Алиса Селезньова

The song is not just "consider newly composed in the Republic of Macedonia". It is universally considered newly composed because that's precisely what it is. Also, the song is not Bulgarian: it wasn't written or composed by a Bulgarian, it wasn't written or composed in Bulgarian, and it wasn't written or composed in Bulgaria. --WavesSaid (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Please, don't copy the dialogue a hundred times - I already answered you on me talk page. It is very simple - there are at least two points of view. One popular in Bulgaria and one popular in Republic of Macedonia. If you want the article to be neutral, both of them should me equally mentioned. "Also, the song is not Bulgarian" - well, not according to the point of view popular in Bulgaria and by the way, not only in Bulgaria.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 11:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

If the sentence "In Republic of Macedonia it is considered to be a newly composed folk song" bothers you, we can change it to something more precise. Like "According to John Smith (for example or the name of the source) the song is newly composed"?--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 11:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not seek to represent the personal opinions of every person in the world. There is no "point of view" here. This song is only a few decades old, and the sources confirm that. Miroslav Kuzman and Efto Pupinoski are not Bulgarians, their country is not Bulgaria and the language of their song is not Bulgarian. Please provide a credible and verifiable source for your claims. --WavesSaid (talk) 23:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Nobody talks about personal opinion - there are two main parts in this dispute, the one popular in Bulgaria and the other popular in Republic of Macedonia. So to represent the Bulgarian point of view is far from a "personal opinion". Don't worry - soon I will.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Argumentum ad populum ≠ WP:RELIABLESOURCES. --WavesSaid (talk) 02:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

It is not believed by me - this is the popular point of view in Bulgaria and since there is a dispute about the folklore heritage between Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria, the Bulgarian point of view should be mentioned. Attempts to add the Bulgarian point of view have been reverted - if sources are needed I will provide them when I can, but about missing sources I believe there is a suitable template not immediate revert.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

If it is indeed as popular as you claim, you should be able to find a suitable source for your assertion. This particular song cannot be a part of any folkloric dispute because it itself is not folkloric. I removed your unsourced claims because ARBMAC dictates that no substantive changes be made to such articles without adequate citations. --WavesSaid (talk) 02:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that's true - after the recent development of the article (or at least latest) and since it is not folkloric, I cannot disagree. The current text in the article is fine I think.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)