Talk:Landmark Worldwide/Archive 23

Disappearance of SELP discussion

At 1449 hours on 2008-02-05 a Wikipedian removed a paragraph on the SELP course reading: "Successful projects lead participants to be "candidated" to enter higher-level courses. To advance further to these higher programs (like the Introduction Leaders Program), many particpants whose projects did not raise funds or were not successful can take more courses at a lower level (called "reviewing"), enroll a certain number of new Landmark Forum paricipants, or volunteer more to become "candidated."" without providing an explanation in the edit-summary. Let's restore and develop this insight into Landmarkian leadership and curriculum-structure. -- Pedant17 (talk) 04:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to corroborate, using something other than OR this but I did speak to someone I know involved with Landmark and this statement is false so I wouldn't restore it.Mvemkr (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance of ILP discussion

At 1450 hours on 2008-02-05 a Wikipedian removed a sentence on the ILP which read: "Only "candidated" Landmark graduates can take the Introduction Leaders Program." without providing any justification in an edit-summary. Let's restore and develop this insight into Landmarkian openness and curriculum-structure. -- Pedant17 (talk) 01:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

This is also apparently not the case, still no ref's for you unfortunately. I'll let you know if I do find something.Mvemkr (talk) 20:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

For "candidating", see http://www.forwardsteps.com.au/ (retrieved 2008-06-10) which lists under a "Personal Achievements" rubric "Landmark Education: Curriculum for Living TMLP both yrs & ILP (candidated)". Evidently a "candidating" process has existed at some point, though things may have changed since "Jan 18" (http://globalclearingcall.wikispaces.com/July+8,+2007?f=print, retrieved 2008-06-10). -- Pedant17 (talk) 02:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I am sure there is a candidating process, from what I understand cadidtated is what they call people who are approved to lead their programs, not a requirement to take programs. Mvemkr (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Nothing then stands between you and clarifying the article. We could state: 'One viewpoint{{fact}} suggests that only "candidated" graduates of Landmark Education can take the Introduction Leaders Program; another school of thought{{fact}} believes that only "candidated" people may "lead" (i.e.: conduct) Landmark Education programs.' -- Pedant17 (talk) 01:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I am a Landmark Education graduate and former candidated Introduction Leader. The original passage was wrong--it have should say "Only candidated graduates of the Introduction Leaders Program can lead official Introductions to the Landmark Forum." Candidating implies that the program participant is participating in a special Landmark Education advanced leadership program and has met certain training objectives in the program that give them the option to volunteer in a capacity for Landmark Education where they will be either leading other Landmark programs or performing activities that can impact Landmark Education's business results. (Not everyone gets to be candidated.) In exchange for their volunteering in that capacity, the candidated participant will receive further, more intense training during the term of their volunteering agreement that would extend beyond the end of the leadership program. Volunteering for Landmark is really a situation where you give your time in exchange for further specialized (sometimes improvised) training from more experienced, more trained people--it is kind of a barter arrangement. For example, a candidated Introduction Leader will lead Introductions to the Landmark Forum (essentially interactive sales presentations) as a volunteer and thus can impact whether people at the Introduction register in the Landmark Forum or not. The candidated Introduction leader will also be asked to participate in additional training classes (beyond ILP) during his/her term as an Introduction Leader.