Talk:Killing of Hadis Najafi

Misrepresentation of sources and disregard of MOS:ETHNICITY

@Rəcəb Yaxşı: I removed mention of her alleged "Iranian-Azeri" background per MOS:ETHNICITY and the fact that it isn't even mentioned in the three cited sources (or at least the two first English ones (which only calls her "Iranian", i.e. her relevant nationality), couldnt find it in the random, obscure Turkish website either, though it was more admittedly more difficult). Instead of adressing my concerns, you reverted me and added another obscure non-English website from god knows where named "yenicaggazetesi" (a nationalist newspaper). Please explain yourself. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

HistoryofIran I don't understand what is your problem? If some website does not say about her nationality, then she is not Turk? Moreover, there are enough Azerbaijani and Turkish sources that she is a Turk. The mother and father of Hadith Najafi from Miyana. This city is located in the province of East Azerbaijan, and its population consists entirely of Turks. If you don't believe me, I can also send his ID to your email address.

The last link I added is the website of the “Yenichag” newspaper published in Turkey. This newspaper is published with a daily circulation of 52,000 copies.--Rəcəb Yaxşı (talk) 11:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect, I have literally explained what "my problem" is twice now. Please address my points, especially MOS:ETHNICITY. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

He has a point. From the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography guideline page:

"Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability."

Unless you can prove that her Azeri origin has to do with her killing (e.g. she was specifically targetted for being Azeri), it's best not to include that fact in the lead paragraph, as it could mislead readers into thinking that it's more important/relevant to the event than it actually is. Elsewhere you can mention that she was born in XYZ region, or has XYZ mother tongue, or is of XYZ nationality or cultural background, if the fact is well-sourced.-- Ideophagous (talk) 12:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Ideophagous the article Mahsa Amini also implies her Kurdish origin when this has nothing to do with her killing. Why act on the double standards when it comes to such topics?--— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.134.59.133 (talk • contribs)

There's no double standard. The Kurdish name "Zhina Amini" was specified because it's an important biographical element and identifier. No other reference to her Kurdish background was mentioned in the lead. As for this article, I see that someone already added the spelling of the name in Azeri, which I believe is fine.--Ideophagous (talk) 20:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

There's no double standard. There are also articles were the name of x or y's "native" language isn't written. It seems some people (WP:SPA also comes to mind) are more interested in her ethnicity than her actual murder. Hadis is a Arabic name, and Najafi means "from Najaf" in Persian. She was in Karaj (a largely Persian-speaking city), Azeri has no official status in Iran, why should the name be there? Moreover, why is it only Azeri and Turkish websites that mention her alleged ethnicity and why is it so important? Who is even to determine her identity? The only thing we can be sure of is that she was born and raised in Iran. Anyways, this article just got redirected for being non-notable, which I believe was the right call, as I also highly doubt this article would have been created if she wasn't apparently Azeri. Anyways, rest her soul. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)