Talk:Kid Rock/Archive 1

Text from 2001

Seems to be copyrighted by Roling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bio.asp?oid=6047&cf=6047).

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Born Bob Ritchie in Romeo, Mich., Kid Rock began his libidinous rap/djing career when he was just 15 years old. Raised in what he refers to as a "hick-town," Kid Rock quickly gained a reputation in the nearby Mt. Clemens housing projects, spinning up his rare brand of potty-mouthed raps -- which comprised psychedelic rock, hip-hop, soul, jazz and funk -- for nightly dance parties. After a move to New York City (where he reportedly lived below Queen Latifah), Kid Rock formed relationships with many area rappers and eventually landed an opening slot on a 20-city tour with Ice Cube and Too $hort. He was only 18 years old.

It wasn't until 1990 that he released his first album, Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast, on the Jive label. The album helped define Kid Rock's bad-boy attitude. After a college disc jockey played one song from the album, "Yodelin' in the Valley," Kid was fined almost $25,000 by the FCC for what was termed "the most indecent thing ever heard" by the president of the university.

But the Rock pushed on, producing one lewd album after another -- including 1993's The Polyfuse Method, 1996's Early Morning Stoned Pimp and the tasteless Fire It Up EP -- and steadily gained a cult following.

In 1998, he signed with Atlantic Records, who released Devil Without a Cause in 1998. That same year, the Detroit Red Wings chose the opening rap from Early Morning Stoned Pimp, which boasts the phrase "Ain't no party like a Detroit party/ 'Cause a Detroit party don't stop," as their victory chant.

Introduction

The introduction was not written in an encyclopedic style so I have removed all but the essential information. I am going to copy what was originally written here and if it is deemed necessary, this information should be re-added in a more encyclopedic tone. At the moment it sounds very much like a record company biography.

"After being cut loose by Jive Records in 1991 after his debut album, Grits Sandwiches For Breakfast, it would take him 8 years to reappear on the national scene. In the spring of 1999, his 6th album Devil Without A Cause would explode behind the single "Bawitdaba", and would go on to sell 12 million copies. Kid Rock was able to keep the momentum after a slow start on 2001's Cocky, thanks in large part to the crossover country ballad "Picture", which featured Sheryl Crow. On October 9, 2007 Kid Rock released his 11th album Rock N Roll Jesus. The album became his first debuting number one album, helped by radio coverage of the single "So Hott". Kid Rock has sold 22.5 million albums to date." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.19.179 (talk) 20:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's a comment: the article doesn't read like something from an encyclopedia. Firstly, the introduction should provide only the basic information about who he is and what he's best known for (not give us some sort of record company biography concerning when he "exploded" on to the scene, or the details of individual albums). Secondly, the structure of the article - separating it into different eras based on his albums - provides far too much irrelevant information to make it a concise overview of his life. I'd advocate using a more traditional structure using categories such as "early years", "career", "personal life" and so on.

Third, there are some questionable assertions which have no source given - for instance, that he was dropped by Jive records because of the Vanilla Ice controversy. I don't know whether that's true or not, but there isn't any source given which backs up the claim. Fourth, I don't think listing a thousand different instruments he may or may not have played at one time really adds anything to the article. That section is generally to give people an idea of what a musician is best known for (for instance that Jimi Hendrix played the guitar) and throwing three hundred instruments at the reader is liable to cause confusion - particularly when a lot of the instruments are things like the tamborine or instruments which he rarely plays (such as the drums). I'm sure Jimi Hendrix played numerous instruments during his career, but if you listed every last one it would just confuse people who had never heard of him before.

Lastly, the article could use some criticism of his work. Many of his albums have been critical or commercial failures and this has to be mentioned. The article should portray Kid Rock as society sees him, not as his record company would like him to be seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.53.34 (talk) 12:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Joe C Member or Former Member

I'm not sure Joe C should be listed as a former member everyone else in that section left or was asked to leave. It's seems like he should get list in his own section maybe Deceased Members or he should be listed in Members Section as Joe C (Vocals)(Deceased). My reasoning is that Joe C is still listed as member on Kid Rocks site and that he never left the band he died so he doesn't seem to fit in the former members section. Any thoughts? Rainer1 21:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)-He died their for he his a former member.

I get what you are saying but I think it would be dishonest to say that. It is cool that Kid Rock is doing that for a memorial but for article purposes, he is a former member. If you want to create deceased in honer of him, go right ahead. I see no problem (nor should anybody else) with created a deceased profile and listing his name under it. 24.205.50.155 08:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe just a short mention or other midget joke about him.

Bobby East error

In the former members section, I see Bobby East. The link is actually to the race car driver. I don't believe that Bobby East was a member. If he was, then his article should reflect that. 24.205.50.155 08:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC) -He was a member he was in Hemigod which disbanded this year when he was with the group he had the long 80s hair band hair. He played Mellotron and Slide Gutair on Kid Rock if you read the credits for the album, he's won several detroit music awards for his gutair instumentals,

Bobby played Bass on one tour, and guitar on the next. As well as the studio work mentioned above. His Detroit music awards were for his work in Hemigod and with the cover band the Reefermen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.85.50.1 (talk) 04:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Back From The Dead

Why was the info about it being a top 20 rap hit at Central Michigan removed,plus yo da lin in the valley 23,700 fine removed from the info on grits its the only thing the album was known for and his meeting bones in white rooms studios.Plus he signed the deal with jive at 17 while still in high school not 18.id change it but id have to sign up since someone made where u have to sign up to change it

Can someone put the bold disclaimer of his nomination in awards under detroit music awards and put it as 2007 Nominated For Outstanding National Album for 'Live' Trucker a I Cant Edit Anything its annoying someone take that thing off thats a member.

Replace Rammstein Airbase with "Ramstein Airbase" Spelling error

Rock and Roll Jesus

"Rock and Roll Jesus" section needs heavy copy editing for style, spelling, and clarity.

Hall of Fame induction.

The article says that Kid Rock inducted Bob Seger in the Hall Of Fame in 2005. Well, he was actually inducted in [2004]. He also inducted Lynyrd Skynyrd in 2005: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4hUj3a4CeZE 71.229.48.174 (talk) 02:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Still many errors, article is messy

I edited the first paragraph, but I don't have time to run through the whole article...it's just full of misspellings, tense changes, grammatical errors, punctuation errors and discrepancies. For instance, one line said he has sold 22 million albums since the release of his debut album, then the VERY NEXT line said the debut album was never released. Seems to be no intro, just jumps right in and rambles on and on with no real structure to the article. 162.136.192.1 (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried to make a quick run through the whole article and clean up some of the writing. I also added links to the RIAA gold/platinum certifications (more recent certifications need to be added to the article). Flagged some items as needing citations. There is still a lot of work to be done though. Joshua (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've done a bit of a tidy up, eg wikified dates, cleaned up punctuation & grammar, tried to change all references from 'Kid' to 'Rock', generally trying to produce a more encyclopedic tone. It still needs a bit more work though. Some of the content sounds like it could have been lifted straight from a publicist's notebook. --Whoosher (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I've done a bit of cleaning up in the "Kid Rock vs Tommy Lee" section. Mind, I didn't actually remove any info, even though I can't cite any of the sources. I just cleaned up the style and made it more encyclopedic. But, a lot of that section reads like scuttlebutt, as they call it in the Navy. --Penultimate Grrl (talk) 06:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

iTunes

Why cant i find any KR songs on itunes? should this be on the article?99.149.118.183 (talk) 02:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I had no trouble finding Kid Rock on iTunes. His entire Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast cd is for sale on there. I removed the iTunes section for that reason. RandorXeus (talk) 04:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

what itunes section?

all summer long isnt on itunes99.139.234.11 (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

He doesnt put is music Itunes Grits is on their cuz Jive owns the right to the album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.40.155 (talk) 18:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone get him a new midget

Maybe then he will stop wiping his ass with real songs like he just did with his new abomination, All Summer Long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.6.18 (talk) 04:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks and happy editing! RandorXeus (talk) 19:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

SECONDED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.166.189 (talk) 08:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Heroes

"He broke through into the mainstream on his Atlantic Records debut album "Devil Without A Cause". It sold 11 million albums (honestly, this is not a joke!) on the back of the strength of its 3rd single, "Bawitdaba"" It's good to know there are still heroes in this world. 71.255.157.85 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Grammer, typos, punctuation

Fixed misspellings, grammer and punctuation. You can help! Aclayartist (talk) 16:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ummm. You misspelled grammar...hopefully everything else is fine. -- RandorXeus. Remember to Be Bold! 18:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Lock to signed in users only?

Just removed graffiti... does the page need to be locked? Chadnibal (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Kid Rock to start own Beer brand

http://www.freep.com/article/20090217/BUSINESS06/90217035?imw=Y 12.184.83.66 (talk) 11:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Influences section

I haven't really looked over the page properly lately, but this section looks absolutely dreadful. It seems to praise Kid Rock too much, as well as being completely unsourced and looking like it is written entirely from one editor's perspective.

A lot of the material there may actually be useful (even if unsourced) if it were re-written, but as it stands pretty much all of it needs to go. James25402 (talk) 10:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully it's a bit better now - trimmed it down, and tried to keep in the interesting/useful bits. But the quote from him is still unsourced, and the section's still not great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.35.78 (talk) 06:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Kid Rock

Kid Rock is one of the best people! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.1.56 (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Stripperella

at the moment he is listed as being in an unknow episode, it's You Only Lick Twice Season 1, Episode 6 [Source] Prince Bee (talk) 01:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Michigan Republicans

He is in that category yet there is no mention of Republicanism in the article. Why is this?--EchetusXe (talk) 00:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirect changed

Noting this here as this is marked up as a controversial article. I've changed the redirect from Robert_J_Ritchie to point to a disambig page as we've at least two other articles on similar names. - TB (talk) 12:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to create a seperate page for RJ Richie as whilst the Kid Rock page is detailed. It provides little insight into the early life of Kid Rock, following only his music career. I feel it would be beneficial to have two seperate articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.142.190 (talk) 08:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Seperate Pages

(Fennydom (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC))

As incorrectly noted in the previous section. I feel a seperate page for RJ Richie would be ill-advised. Although the addition of an "Early Life" paragraph within the Kid Rock article would be beneficial. The only additional page worth making that spawns from the Kid Rock page, is in my opinion, one for the Twisted Brown Trucker band.