Talk:Khao Soi Dao Wildlife Sanctuary

Title & scope

According to the Royal Society's gazetteer, Soi Dao is the name of two peaks (separately known as Khao Soi Dao Nuea (north) and Khao Soi Dao Tai, (south)) in the Chanthaburi Range. Since Chanthaburi Mountains was created as a redirect to here, I guess that's the intended scope. But I don't see any sources that use "Soi Dao" as the name of the entire range, which spans as far as Khao Khiao in Chon Buri. (Also, "Khao... Mountain" is redundant.) I suggest that this article should be re-scoped and renamed to cover just the wildlife sanctuary (which all the references are about), and that Chanthaburi Mountains be made into a separate article (and the redirect deleted until then). --Paul_012 (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Pinging User:RhinoMind. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Paul 012: Hi. While working on the article, I never found any proper refs on the name "Chanthaburi Range". I came across some random mention of Chanthaburi Hills, but it wasn't clear which hills that name was referring to. Could just as well be the Khao Sa Bap Mountains east of the town. Or both of them. Can you post some links to the sources you are talking about? That would be helpful.

While at it, it has been impossible to find any reliable source to the height of the two most notable peaks. One source says one thing, another one another thing. And some - otherwise seemingly reliable sources - just mention the origin of the Khao Soi Dao Waterfall as the height of Khao Soi Dao Nuu. Not good. So, as said, it has been impossible to find any reliable height. If you could help with that as well, would be great. Thanks.

I recognize that it might perhaps be a good idea to separate out the info on the Khao Soi Dao Wildlife Sanctuary into a new article, but I am not sure. Just because the range is divided by two adjacent protections, doesn't mean we have to create 3 articles to cover everything properly. But I am open to solid arguments. RhinoMind (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@RhinoMind, the Thai Geographic Gazetteer is available online at http://www.royin.go.th/?page_id=143, though it's in Thai only. The relevant entries are under "จันทบุรี", "สอยดาวเหนือ" and "สอยดาวใต้"; I've pasted them at https://justpaste.it/5ifd9 for convenience. According to the official definition, the main Chanthaburi Range runs west–east along the border between Chachoengsao and Sa Kaeo provinces to the north and Chon Buri and Chanthaburi provinces to the south, a total distance of 170 km. That's from roughly 13°17'40"N 101°37'40"E to 12°49'50"N 102°10'60"E by my reckoning on Google Maps. It's also considered to include three somewhat disjoint subranges running north-south: The first in Chon Buri Province, covering Khao Khiao and Khao Chomphu (covered by Khao Khiao–Khao Chomphu Wildlife Sanctuary), the second forming part of the boundary between Chon Buri and Rayong provinces, and the third forming the boundary between Rayong and Chanthaburi provinces (including Khao Chamao–Khao Wong National Park). Khao Soi Dao Tai is the highest peak, at 1,613 m. Other significant peaks are listed as Khao Soi Dao Nuea (1,589 m), Khao Khitchakut (1,079 m), Khao Salaba (1,171 m), Khao Chamao (1,039 m), Khao Khiao (801 m) and Khao Sip Ha Chan (812 m). Regarding the height of the peaks, even the official gazetteer itself is inconsistent. In the individual entries for Khao Soi Dao Tai and Khao Soi Dao Nuea, their heights are listed at 1,640 and 1,379 m, respectively—not an insignificant difference! The English-language sources I found that mention the Chanthaburi Mountains by name are mostly old government publications on Google Books,[1][2][3] as well as a volume by Chulalongkorn University.[4] --Paul_012 (talk) 07:16, 9 December 2019‎ (UTC)

I'll be back as soon as possible. Thanks for the links. RhinoMind (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and begun a wider overview article at Chanthaburi Mountains. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I've renamed and adjusted this article to cover the wildlife sanctuary. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Article is also in German acvailable but link is not set

I don`t know how i set a link here, it`s far away from plug&play for me. But this article is available in German also:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildschutzgebiet_Khao_Soi_Dao

I can`t link it together, i tried it but i don`t know how to do it correctly. 183.88.213.91 (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. For future reference, there are instructions at Help:Interlanguage links#Adding a new link. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:28, 6 February 2020 (UTC)