Talk:Kevin Youkilis/GA2

GA Reassessment

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Many of the criticisms made in this article's recent FAC are also relevant to its GA status, which is why I have initiated this reassessment. I have repeated the relevant points below:

• Citations shoild be consistently formatted with full details including last accessdates for all web references. Citation #24, for instance, is just an unnamed external link.

Agreed. Have cleaned up most (though not all) of the citations, which as you point out were sorely in need of clean up.

• There is one dead link.[1]

Identified the dead link as such, per Wiki guidelines.

• The 2005 season needs expansion.

Expanded.

• The 2009 season needs paragraph structure.

• Let's not use Youtube as a reference - though you can put the milk money vid in the external links. (Here's a replacement: [2])

Used the replacement suggested.

• The lead should be expanded a little bit (Paragraph # is good, they just need more info)

Expanded a little bit as suggested.

• Is there a need for each season to be its own section? Consider combining them into one or two subsections rather than seven, and work the fielding record into chronological order

Combined some years. I think the fielding record works well as a separate section -- is there a basis for combining them into the years?

• Prose needs some work. Consider using paragraphs instead of point form statements in each section.

• The Moneyball reference seems like trivia. Is it really important that he was briefly mentioned in the book? Also, that is nowhere close to irony.

I don't think the Moneyball reference is trivia, and do think his mention in the book (which I've read) is significant. The book brought minor leaguer Youkilis his first national recognition. Agree as to irony. In Moneyball, sabermetrics are an integral tool in evaluating a prospect in the sense that it is a tool that is "not omittable."

• Awards section is unreferenced, as is the Statistics section.

I'm not aware that this is done in baseball articles, even the FA ones. I believe that the approach used is not to reference them, probably since they are readily apparent at the mlb.com, baseball reference, etc. WLs that baseball articles have.

• Both the Awards and distinctions and Statistics sections must be cited, whatever other baseball articles may or may not do. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I've as directed (though it seems unusual in baseball articles, for the aforementioned reasons) input inline citations for all statistics and awards indicated in tables in the main body of the article.

• Section headers should have all words capitalized only when they are proper names.

Agreed and addressed.

• Honestly, we get that he is a Jewish baseball player. You really don't need to shove this fact down our throats.

I think this is fine as-is. This just reflects what is in the media on this point.

• The link for his Hits for Kids charity should not be in the article body. It should just be in the external links section. The interview ELs don't really add much.

Can't see why it shouldn't be used up top, as well as in the EL. Is there a basis for that suggestion that I'm missing? I think as well the interview ELs are fine.

• See Wikipedia:El#Important_points_to_remember. "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an 'External links' section at the end and/or in the appropriate location within an infobox or navbox." --Malleus Fatuorum 22:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Right. But I read that as saying don't put it in the body as an External Link. Putting it in the body, where it is relevant, as an inline citation is (as I read it) another matter altogether. And the relevant language in what you just cited, as to that, is "This guideline does not apply to inline citations." Make sense?--Epeefleche (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• It's obviously your call as to whether you feel strongly enough about that external link to jeopardise this article's GA listing. I'm saying no external links in the body of the article. Period. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about this issue. I also agree it should comply with Wiki guidelines. But I must be missing something. I see its includion as an inline citation (not an EL within the body) as complying directly with the Wikipedia:Good article criteria that mandates that: "(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout; (b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources ..."--Epeefleche (talk) 00:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

• Look again, at the first sentence in the Philanthropy section: "Kevin Youkilis Hits for Kids is a charitable organization established by Youkilis in 2007." That must go. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

• It was noticed in 2007 that various baseball websites had been using "youkike" as part of their urls for Youkilis's statistical webpages. "Kike" is a slur for a Jewish person. - noticed by whom, why "various", "had been using" or "were using", and at least two citations from relaible sources are needed.

Addressed to the extent possible.

• His charity wine "SauvignYoouuk Blanc", released in 2008, supports Hits for Kids in entirety. - The wine does not support anything, but the profit from selling it fully finances the charity Hits for Kids.

Agreed and addressed.

I'm putting this review on hold for five days pending some resolution to these issues. If they remain unaddressed at the end of that time, then this article will be delisted. --Malleus Fatuorum 11:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I've addressed most of the above, though not all, as indicated above.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• I take one sentence at random: "In 2007 Youkilis had made $424,500, the fourth-lowest salary on the club." In my estimation this article does not meet the good article critera and those responding to the issues have not fully engaged with them. Consequently I have now delisted this article. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.