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RfC about Notability

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In terms of notability, is being on reality TV over a course of 10+ years, on different shows and various networks enough to meet guidelines, assuming I can find enough reliable sources to show this? Or will this most likely still be declined even with more RS included in a future submission?WikiVirusC (talk) 12:59, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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• Notable Per the GNG, the soruces you provide and the source I can find on the web. I think i disagree with the declining. d.g. L3X1 (distant write) 12:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
• Notable Perhaps barely so, but notable enough. There is enough there so that the page would not fail a AfD discussion, therefore I think the page should be created. LK (talk) 00:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• Not Notable Not covered as notable in any substantial sources, Instagram is not a "source" etc. "Staff bios" etc. are basically SPS, and being mentioned en passant as one of a number of people is not a source sufficient to assert individual notability. Notability requires sourcing wherein the individual is important, and not as one of a significant number of people. Specifically note that Imdb fails at WP:RSN. Collect (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

@Collect:

• The staff bios were more used for the information presented in article not for notability of subject specifically, that can be adjusted and taking out relevant infomration about those shows.
• I was of the understanding from Wikipedia:SELFPUB that instagram could be used as a source if it was coming from a verified account of the subject of article. That was only used to source the birth of her child not for establishing notability as a source.
• IMBD as a source can be remove completely because that was only used for episode counts in the filmography.
• One of the Arizona republic, and the East Valley Tribune article were solely about her after she won Endurance. The other Republic and the Chicago Tribune article (which wasn't used in as source) were about not about several number of people.
• On the WP:Notability Entertainers it specifies

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

Doesn't she pass this test? 3 different shows + 5 seasons on the spin off from one of those shows. I have mentioned the articles that were about her individually. There are several more that mention her simply as one of many, but those only used for the information presented about those specific shows. WikiVirusC (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia may have room for lists of cast members for notable shows, but that des not make each and every minor entity ever seen on a TV reality show into a person notable enough per WP:GNG for a separate BLP. Local celebrities only covered in a local newspaper (i.e. where the reason for the article is that they are local ("Local girl makes good" etc.) are not great sources.) Collect (talk) 12:03, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I know each and every minor entity seen on a reality show isn't eligible, that isn't the case here. For her it is 3 different reality shows for full seasons. The point from the guideline I was making was significant role on multiple shows, not a singular minor role in one show like you are saying isn't eligible,and I'm not arguing against.