Talk:John Carmichael (Scientology)/Archive 1

about the deletion

one of the reasons stated for a delete, is given as no non-blog coverage. so this cite will help that

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0822,jason-beghe-turn,457606,2.html/full Arabik (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

John Carmichael in the news

• "A Method To Cruise's Madness?". Fresh Intelligence. Radar Online. 2005-07-06. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Waldman, Amy (2001-09-20). "Changed Lives; Religious Leader Takes His Calling to Ground Zero". New York Times. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• O'Reilly, David (1997-12-28). "Church Of Scientology Hits Critics Where They Live". Knight-Ridder. Seattle Times. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• McDonnough, Kaili (2007-08-17). "Cruisin' Harlem". New York Post. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Foley, Dylan (1997-09-28). "Employee Accuses Real Estate Firm Of Turning on Scientology E-Meter". New York Observer. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Newman, Andy (2005-03-29). "Finding Stress, and Some Friction". New York Times. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• "Friends, thetans, countrymen". Seven. Daily Telegraph. 2007-09-09. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Schindler, Paul (2005-08-05). "Margarita Lopez stays mum through Scientology flap". Downtown Express. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Snell, Robert (2008-01-05). "Scientologists heading downtown". Detroit News. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Lipper, Julie (1999-02-07). "Scientology Pals Kicked In $50,000 Toward U.N.'s Big Elephant Statue". New York Observer. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Oppenheimer, Mark (2007-07-31). "Scientology may be a bizarre faith invented by a sci-fi hack. But it's not a cult". Slate Magazine. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Farrow, Boyd (2005-08-01). "The A-listers' belief system". New Statesman. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Oppenheimer, Mark (2007-07-15). "The Actualizer". New York Times. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• DeSio, John (2007-05-30). "The Rundown on Scientology's Purification Rundown". New York Press. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Friedman, Roger (2007-11-06). "Tom Cruise Rewards Scientology Honchos". Entertainment. FOX News. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• DeSio, John (2007-05-31). "Vallone's Letter To Scientology". New York Press. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Hilliard, Chloe (2007-09-11). "Xenu Goes Uptown - Scientology Makes a Major Move into Harlem. But why?". Runnin' Scared. Village Voice. Retrieved 2008-06-07. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Some are only passing references, but seems notable to me. AndroidCat (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

pussy comment

I thought if we mention the comment, we must mention the word. Otherwise, drop the whole thing. The fact "Jason Beghe" incorporated the word in his comments is not relevant really. If we mention Jason Beghe, surely we should explain who he is, and discuss some interaction between Jason Beghe and Carmichael that extends beyond the shared use of a word. The main purpose of my edit was to shorten the topic, so to avoid over weight to it. --Rob (talk) 00:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the fact that Jason Beghe, a notable actor and relatively new and prominent critic of Scientology, used the same phrasing as Carmichael, is relevant, however I'll of course defer to consensus on this. Cirt (talk) 02:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

12 Organizations

There are currently only three churches of Scientology New York State. Where does the number twelve come from? Teegeeack (talk)

It is sourced later in the article, per WP:LEAD. Cirt (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

To satisfy everyone, I changed it to say "nine" which is what http://www.locator.scientology.org says there are in the NJ/NY area. ZBrannigan (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Would rather go by what is already confirmed per sources later on in the article. Per WP:LEAD. Cirt (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you daft or what? How can you go with "sources" for information if Scientology.org says it's not true? I mean seriously ... ZBrannigan (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Please be civil. Please read WP:LEAD. Please do not make unsourced changes to a WP:BLP article. Cirt (talk) 22:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The locator does not say anything about how many churches Carmichael is in charge of. We are better off going with the source. We could date and attribute the statement if there is well-founded concern that it may be outdated. --JN466 19:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Cirt (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

You people are kidding right? If there's only nine Scientology facilities in the NJ/NY area, how could he POSSIBLY be in charge of twelve? This argument is sad by the way67.83.32.109 (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done, added year to sentence, 2006, per source, The New York Times. Cirt (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)