Talk:Jack of the United States/Archive 1

Archive 1

13 striped jack

My main problem with the 13 stripe and the tread on me images is that they have different aspect ratios than the "normal" union jack. The jacks are around 1.4 like the canton on the US flag, but the striped ones are 1.9 like the actual flag.[1] It wouldn't be difficult to fix the striped ones to the 1.4 ratio, but it might be nice to find out what the actual ratio is supposed to be. USN text refs on the main page specify that the jack must be the size of the canton of the ensign it is flown with, but it was written before the first navy jack was in use. Anyone have a source for the correct size of a first navy jack in current use? --Dual Freq 20:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

13 star jack

Sounds like arrangement of the 13 stars was widely varying, one common one seems to have been with the 13 stars arranged in three rows of 4-5-4.[2] Should I be trying to make one of those too? --Dual Freq 20:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good thing. Do you have a second source to verify the 4-5-4 reference? My impression upon following your link above was to take that site with a slight grain of salt. Are there any sources for the pattern currently show on the page, for that matter? --J Clear 12:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Flag of the United States#History mentions 4-5-4. "Primarily the stars in Revolutionary War America were arranged in three rows, usually 4-5-4. After the War, this arrangement still predominated but the circle or oval of stars was nearly as popular. Only two show 3-2-3-2-3".vexman Th stir the pot further, the Smithsonian has the flag from Fort McHenry, it's a 15 star flag (Image:FtMcHenrySallyPort.JPG), but the star points don't face the top of the flag, they alternate. Seems like there was no commonality in the early flags. --Dual Freq 14:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying there was no single official, precisely defined and described, jack back then? How inconsiderate of them of us future wikipedians. :) The question then is either the 4-5-4 or 3-2-3-2-3 thought to be in anyway the official Navy flag, and thus jack? Should we show both in the article and use the [more] official one on ship articles? --J Clear 16:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

49

FYI, 49 star is done. --Dual Freq 11:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I hearby award you a nano barn star for taking care of a repetitive, but vital chore. Umm, could you design a nano barn star, too? :) --J Clear 00:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They are all done, certainly not award worthy since all I did was strip the canton from the flag files that someone else made. And it took almost a week to do that. Hope they go to good use. --Dual Freq 23:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I did say nano barn star. :) It's appreciated none the less. --J Clear 01:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ratio should be 175:247

The ratio is given as 10:14.1. If this flag is really the canton of the US flag, its ratio is 10×7÷13:19×0.4 = 175:247 ≈ 1:1.41142857. I realise that this is a pedantic detail, but unless an official authority has altered the ratio to 10:14.1, it should be given as 175:247. JDAWiseman (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Following an absence of objection, or even comment, or even evidence of this being noticed, done. JDAWiseman (talk) 08:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Civilian Use

I think we should mention that the U.S. jack is legal for civilian use, which the Dutch and British naval jacks, for two, are not. I may take care of this. J S Ayer (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, I see it's in there. Sorry! J S Ayer (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Isn't it still USS Enterprise as "oldest in commission not named Constitution"?

A recent edit gave credit to USS Denver (LPD-9). Yet the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) is still in commission, just not in service. I'm of the opinion that it's still the Enterprise that gets pride of place here. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 22:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

CNO Richardson orders return to 50-star jack

Today, on February 22nd, 2019, US Navy Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson, announced that beginning June 4th, 2019, on the anniversary of the Battle of Midway, Navy vessels will return to flying the 50-star jack, nearly 17 years since the First Navy Jack was put into use to symbolize the War on Terror. Hopefully, our fellow Wikipedians are ready to modify the page to reflect this recent development. Alexshkhtmn (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

The change took effect today and I have updated the page to reflect that. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 04:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

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