Talk:Jack Sparrow/Archive 1

His Weapon

All of us at Wikipedia need to work harder on our research into such minute details like what type of sword somebody uses, Jack's weapon is too long to be a cutlass, but since the article states his weapon is a hanger which leads to the article on cutlass, it's most likely Jack's weapon isn't a hanger either. It's too small to be a rapier and i know that their probably a more technical term then the generic sabre. let us try to get Jack's sword right. Technobabble1 03:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Pirate Lord

According to Keep to the Code, Jack is one of the Nine Pirate Lords, the ruler over the Caribbean. Please add it on the page.

I just added that to the bottom of the discussion page; the website of Pirates 3 also confirms it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.3.179 (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Jack is a Pirate Lord??? wow 21:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

yes, it is stated and is part of the story only in the third film

young reader books

Sparrows past is gonna be filled in in a series of young reader books, two of which are out in Wal-Mart already. Could someone read them and put th info in? Thank Ye,

I have just added an overview of the books i have read to the page. I see them as revelavent to the character.

Jack Sparra 11:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

With respect, I've redone the paragraph and included the reference. This is the sort of thing, though, that needs some dispatch; the level of detail approached fancruft, to be honest. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 14:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree but mate' I am unhappy to inform you that most of the fictional character articles about characters with huge followings do approach fancruft truly neuteral people don't usually do much editing. only fans and bashers edit these kind of acticles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Technobabble1 (talk • contribs) .

True—which is why the rest of us are here for cleanup ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank ye for understanding. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Technobabble1 (talk • contribs) .

I wouuld like it noted that i did not add the stuff about the books. Some cunning blighter addaed an unsigned comment into the middle of my request for the details of the book. I haven't edited for weeks. Don't trust anyone who pertedns to be me. Theres a Jack Sparra imitator on the loose! Jack Sparra 20:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

We should give a plot overveiw of Jack's experiences in the books, and start a page for the books.

being the obsessed fan that i am, i bought the first 4 books in the series. jack is the 16-year-old capitan of a wee fishing boat called the Barnacle, and his first mate's name is arabella. yea, she's a girl. his other crewmate's names are fitzwilliam(boy), jean(is a boy), tumen(is a boy), and constance(another girl). jack has a HUGE crush on arabella, but fitzwilliam, being the obnoxious british snob that he is, won't stop flirting with her. in the second book, she falls overboard and after he rescues her, jack has to give arabella mouth-to-mouth! t-hee! oh yeeeeeaaaaah, his catchphrase is still 'savvy' and he still thinks he's a ladies' man.71.127.209.251 00:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)ladysparrow

thanks for the kinda-sorta review, ladysparrow (cool name, by the way) but are the books any good? and what age group are they intended for? thanks 21:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Black Pearl

Sorry to keep commenting, but whay does Black Pearl redirect to the first movie? Shouldn't we make an article about the ship? Jack Sparra 11:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

there isn't enough information to justify a seperate article for the ship --Ditre 13:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

With all the discussion over what type of ship it is exactly, how Jack came by it, the supernatural element to it, the history of it, and the huge plot device it often presents there really isn't enough info to justify an article? Honestly? --NovusQuestus 17:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I would add information on the Black Pearl. I could write it--after all, I've read the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide and it's ALL in there! Not to mention that in the mobile game for movie 2, it explains that Jack's ship's original name was the Wicked Wench. After Davy Jones raised it up after a battle against the NAVY (as Jack used to be a merchant), he changed the name to the Black Pearl. Gargoyle123 01:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well following text was reverted.

The first film also offers homosexual overtones to Character of Sparrow in three scenes: When he tells a pirate that he always like him; When he tells Commodore Norrington that, Sparrow always rooted for him; When he tells Elizabeth Swann that they could have never made it.

I wrote above lines, but someone reverted, not sure if he saw the movie. I like the movie, but not this part. Chirag 02:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC) Probably that's why it was not rated G or PG. Chirag 02:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Exact words from Movie One:

The exact words used from the first movie are:
Jack to Pirate: I always liked you. (right before Elizabeth returns the dress to Barbossa).
Jack to Norrington: I want you to know that I was rooting for you, mate. Know that.
Jack to Elizabeth: It would never have worked between us, darling. I'm sorry.

Chirag 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It's about drunken thieves who run around and fight people. The people enslave eachother, and there's some foul language, and the violence is just constant, as well as the fact that lots of people die. That is why it is not rated G. The cat in the hat movie was rated pg...--Dan 20:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

agreed. Chirag 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The text was reverted for several reasons; first, it's your analysis and is therefore original research—for such a subjective analysis to survive inclusion into an encyclopedia, it would have to be the opinion of a recognized expert in the field, such as a well-known film critic, and would require citation. Second, the analysis was not presented in a way that asserts its notability for inclusion. Third, its veracity is arguable: the first instance might present to another viewer an example of Sparrow's charming nature in an effort to win over an opponent; the second, the same; the third, a playful dig at Will Turner. It's all entirely subjective; repeated references to eunuchs, for example, could support your analysis, but the spurned women on Tortuga and Sparrow's time alone with Elizabeth on the island would argue against it. While such a passage would be fine for a fan page or a message board, it fails in an encyclopedia. Feel free to read up on what Wikipedia is not, and happy editing! RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am not an expert, neither a critic of the movie. But Spurned women on Tortuga do support my argument. Would rather wait to see the part 2, to seek more support for the argument. The talk page may keep the arguments alive for other readers to add on to. Chirag 05:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you picked the third (and most subjective) of three points for your reply (and the Tortuga scene clearly implies he was unfaithful to the women via other women) as the first and second points determine what survives scrutiny in an encyclopedia. If you haven't already, may I recommend reading WP:NOR and WP:N, and also WP:V. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 12:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Quite right. If he was a homosexual, why would the Turtuga girls, who were most likely prostitutes, be jealous of him speaking to another lady? Soryy, but the gay Sparrow theory just doesn't hold water. Jack Sparra 14:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well It may not be Jealously at all, it may as well be due to non-performance. Chirag 15:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who's seen the second film, it's pretty obvious Jack's not gay. Sorry Chirag, but it debunks yer theory quite thouroughly. --203.45.29.221 13:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I am yet to see the second movie. Chirag 15:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, Sparrow's actor likes to think the character's gay. So, while he may not be intentionally "gay" in the script, it would perhaps be fair to cite that as an influence in Depp's portrayal.: http://in.news.yahoo.com/060629/139/65he2.html --

Only if Depp's said so in an interview and it's properly cited (and, I think we all know The Sun's reputation); otherwise, it's speculation (or tabloid fodder). RadioKirk (u|t|c) 00:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like I sparked something unintended. Net is more powerful medium then I thought. Seems the debate reached other domains too. Not sure if the interviewer asked question after reading wikipedia article... :)

see:

1. http://www.worldsgreatestcritic.com/piratesofthecaribbean.html
2. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060707161413AApYngm

Chirag 15:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay. One of my hobbies is slash fiction, and one of my favorite fandoms is PotC. Which means that I spend a lot of time thinking about the possibility that Jack Sparrow sleeps with men. And even I think that those lines need to be taken in a pretty twisted (not twisted in a bad way, just different from what's meant) way in order to be "proof" that Jack is gay.

(Also, ditto everything that RadioKirk said. ;) )

Hbackman 03:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't care how depp likes to play the character. This isn't an article on characterization it's about Jack Sparrow and until somthing about Jack being Bisexual comes from the Disney Executives or a book or one of the movies his sexuality is maintained as heterosexual on this page. however Depp's mind is rather 'interesting'and i think that adding this tidbit to Johnny Depp's acticle and maybe one on characterization or acting would be okay. Moce the Statement about that to inspiration, it is not a fact about Jack that he is bisexual therefor doesnt belong in his biography. and please do not call me an idiot I find personal attacks to be below us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technobabble1 (talk • contribs)

What you care about is irrelevant. This article is about the character on the whole, and valid information should not be removed. Commentary from the actor who portrays the character is even more important than some Disney exec. As a result, I have partially reverted your edit (I do agree that he is not effeminate, so I removed the cat). EVula 23:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Evula, we made a similar revert at the same time :P Technobabble1, this seems more like you don't wish your favourite movie's protagonist to be "sexually ambiguous" for whatever reason. The quote is perfectly valid, and the reference is "official" enough, not every citation can come from a studio which doesn't understand their own film. It usually comes from a director, a producer, a writer or an actor in the form of an interview. Zythe 23:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

All right then i guess that'll work however i moved the placement of your information to inspirations seeing as how it deals with Depps portrayal of the character moreso than the characters on-screen or on-page actions. if Jack does anything bisexual in the next movie or one of the books or games then it should go to traits. do we have an accord. Technobabble1

That's fine, in my opinion, especially since execs were surprised by Depp's interpretation according to the same source. Zythe 23:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

My hobby is to analyse the characters of the movie, as to how they came to be as they are potrayed. in case of Jack Sparrow, it is not just based on the script writer, or director, but the actor himself seems to have influenced the character a lot.

Apart from that, since the studio folks did feel some overtones during the release of movie one, may be it should be mentioned somewhere on the article. Chirag 15:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll admit i was slightly biased. I just feared (rather stupidly in retrospect) that Depp saying Jack is Bi would mean that the studio will have to turn Pirates 3 into "Brokeback Ship". I've got nothing angaist people of differnt sexuality however Jack Sparrow is my 9 year old brother's favorite character, in fact every little kid loves the movie. Jack is now a children's hero, even if it is a PG-13 movie there is a large kid following. You make him gay and it can't be a kid's movie which it already is, there are some things that will make it to contreversial and spoil it for the family audience. However I realise now that Wikipedia is not the place for moral debate and appologize for my actions in editing. i hop i am forgiven. --Technobabble1 16:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Nothing to forgive, at least on the talk page—this is what talk pages are for. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a strange perception, why can't a bisexual character be a children's hero? Will it turn them gay? Because I've been watching Buffy for years and sadly I have yet to become a vampire :(. Just interesting to note, as soon as sexuality comes into it, some people get defensive or scared. Zythe 20:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done a minor rewrite to make the paragraph flow like it should; before, it went from inspirations to awards back to inspirations. Meantime, the phrase "probably bisexual" cannot survive unless he said so and, in that article at least, he only used the term "sexually ambiguous" (a fling with a "cabin boy" does not necessarily denote bisexuality, and to suggest that conclusion violates WP:WEASEL and WP:NPOV). Meantime, I'd previously struck the invisible comment as potentially inflammatory—removing the passage does not necessarily denote homophobia. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This is an original research and will not be tolerated-or should I say, permitted- by Wikipedia, and there is no verifiable and trustworthy information I can find as sometimes the femalefirst site does push things off a bit, and yes, I am putting down my gender's website! (so as to let you know I am not a guy though that is completely irrelevant) Gargoyle123 03:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Further Edit

I made another copy edit, changing spelling and wording here and there. I also made the title change that intimidated others. It seems pretty certain that Pirates 3 will be either At World's End or World's End. If it looks good to everyone, I suggest taking it off the Cleanup Task force list.

I had one question on the content though. On the island of "cannibals" on Dead Man's Chest. Did anyone say that Sparrow had to be eaten, or just freed from his fleshly prison? Details might need to be changed in that paragraph.

Comments are welcome!

republicson

It was RELEASED FROM HIS FLESHY PRISON. :) Gargoyle123 03:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how "certain"—Wikipedia is not a crystal ball so we wait for an official announcement. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay um their are too many internal links. some of them should go because it clutters up the page and all the underlined words make it a bit hard to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technobabble1 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hardly. You can always change your CSS or just read the printable version if it gives you problems. --Pcj 00:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The Name

Although this article seems fine to me, the name is questionable. I really think the article should just be named 'Jack Sparrow', without the 'Captain' in it. After all, its a biography of a character, and his name doesn't actually have Captain in it, thats just his title. Calaros 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In some cases, I'd probably agree with you; not here, though. His title is an intrinsic part of this character's name. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

He always insisted on being cald Captain...Cameron Nedland 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, it gets him into a spot of bother in the second movie. -Captain JD Sparrow —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.37.217.20 (talk • contribs) 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Technobabble1 02:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Jack's Swordplay

This is going back and forth, and the current version ("Jack's swordplay is formidable in its own right. Most fans believe that Sparrow is the most talented in comparison with Turner, Barbossa, and Norrington, relying on his wits and his incredible swordfighting skills to get himself out of tough situations. Some even say that Jack's skills surpass those of the other major characters, considering that Jack seems to come out of every swordfight the victor") Smacks of original research. The original passage, "According to the audio commentary featuring the scriptwriters on the DVD for the first Pirates film, while Jack's swordplay is formidable in its own right, Sparrow is the least talented in comparison with Turner, Barbossa, and Norrington, relying on his wits more than his swordplay to get himself out of tough situations." can be verified, and is in fact correct.

(I've reverted the page back to the correct version, but it'll probably be changed again soon.) Cathie 04:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe Jack is better than or equal to Will, at least. If you notice in the first film, Jack matches Will with only one sword when Will has two swords in a portion of the duel in the blacksmith shop. --Obsessed 18:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It would be a very good idea to somehow state that while he is not as talented as the others he is still a formidable fighter, like mentioning while he could defend himself from barbossa or even will on even footing, he couldn't overcome them. i don't know.

Actually, the fact that he only matched Will in the little one sword vs. two shows that Jack is worse, seeing that using two full sized swords in traditional swordplay is both incredibly difficult and disadvantegeous. (If one sword had been a main gauche instead, that would be a different matter entirely. However...) Add to that the DVD commentary, and I would say that while Jack is a very skilled swordsman (especially for a pirate), Will is much more skilled (it's kind of set aside as being one of Will's biggest strengths, anyway.). Him being fourth in a list of extremly skilled swordsmen isn't a slur. Especially since he seems more adaptive than any one else, and likely the best shot out of all of them. --NovusQuestus 17:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm a huge Jack fan, but I have to say what I know: The POTC Visual Guide says that Will IS better than Jack. You can also tell by that Jack always cheats to get himself out of a fight. Sorry, Jack!! :( India Sparrow

Acutally, the POTC Visual Guide says, word for word:

  When he discovers Jack in the forge, pirate captain and swordsmith are almost equally matched.

You, see, I have it open, on my lap and I'm typing it up. And Jack only cheated in that one duel against Will in Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl because the Navy was knocking at his door. Check those sources, as my history teacher always yells! :) Gargoyle123 01:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Accent?

Okay, I know Johnny's accent is all fake and stuff, and I'm no expert at British dialects, but it seems to me that his accent is somewhat inflected. Is it based on a particular English dialect? at times it seems Irishified, if you will..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.69 (talk • contribs)

I think that I read in an interview somewhere that it's supposed to be a very light French accent. I really can't confirm or deny this though, because even though I live next door to a Frenchman, there's nothing light about his accent... Anyway, you can't take my word for it, since I don't have a source, but I do think it is somewhat French-inspired. Also keep in mind that Depp is fluent in French. Cathie 03:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It is probably supposed to be english/caribbean slang, after all most of the character is taken from/inspired from Edward England and Calico Jack.Sneaking Viper 15:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I always thought it was a form of Australian that became mixed-up with his multi-cultural company. - Count Mall

Ya know, i thought that Johnny Depp himself had an english accent but im probably way off since im not very caught up with things. And if you have the 2-disc collecters edition of Pirates of the Caribbean 1, and you watch the features on the 2nd disc, it sounds like he, himself (NOT in the POTC movies even) has an english accent. Although when he says "drawing of a key" in Dead Man's Chest it sounds forced plus the W in drawing sounds like an R. And that doesn't sound natural at all. 23:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a very British/English/French/Irish kind of accent. India Sparrow

Actually, it's a King's British accent, but since he drinks a lot of rum in the story, it is very run-down. Hey, I'm a pirate expert all-three-in-one, so ask me if you have any questions on my discussion page! Gargoyle123 02:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack's Background

" Captain Jack's real name was Jack Smith and he was born in India on October 25"

Where was this information found? I think it should have a source... --Obsessed 16:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I vote that it is removed unless a suitable source can be found. If the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide is to be regarded as canon (which I'm not sure of, can someone tell me), then Jack was born on a ship during a typhoon. Captain JD Sparrow

Agreed. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

is jack Still Indian because the category is up 24.125.95.154 19:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The category was just deleted by another user, and rightly so, I think. This may have been added in confusion as Sparrow is presented as a onetime employee of the East India Trading Company, which actually was a British conglomerate. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Jack's name WAS going to be Jack Smith, but they changed it before they started filming. I was watching a thing about it on TV guide channel. I heart yous 00:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If there's a reliable, published source, it can go in the article with citation. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 00:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

all i know is that jack WAS born somewhere in india.71.127.209.251 00:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)ladysparrow

He was born during a typhoon on a Pirate Ship in the Indian Ocean :) Gargoyle123 23:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack Smith sounds SOOOO lame... 21:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand. India Sparrow

I know the mark he left on Becklett

It's obvious, Because of Sparrow, Becklett IS a EUNICH DaffyDuck619

There's one problem with that theory (Aside from the whole 'No Original Research' thing). When Elizabeth presented him with an offer about Turner, he said "i'm listening" in a voice that made it clear he thought elizabeth was going to sleep with him. He thought Swaan was flirting with him. If he was a eunuch, he wouldn't be intertested in her. Jack Sparra 11:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree there's no basis to assume Beckett is a eunuch, but it wasn't apparent to me that he believed Elizabeth was offering sex. Only that he was interested in knowing what she had to bargain. PNW Raven 17:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that I also think that Beckett is a eunich. After all, his fasination with them has to come from somewhere, and I highly doubt that Jack himself is a eunich because he prides himself on being a ladies man. A.E.J.O'Brian 04:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I need to remind people to read WP:TPG—this page is here to discuss an encyclopedia article, not our original research or individual points of view. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC) First of all, that's not how you spell eunuch. Anyway, Jack is NOT a eunuch and that couldn't POSSIBLY be the mark that Jack left on him. Seeing how Jack is so clever, when Beckett tried to brand him, Jack probably scratched him or something. 23:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone deleted my comment. I said:

I think that there is no possible way to assume that Beckett is a eunuch. According to the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide, Jack liked to call other men "Eunuchs" because he was a ladies man and wanted them solely for himself....unless you are actually a eunuch for which...I have no response if you had a snip-snippy. Oh, and this is original research Gargoyle123 03:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Will Turner: What mark did he leave on you? Cutler Beckett: <look of embarrasement> Says it all. Link_86_1 17:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Some clarification. Sparrow may well have deprived Beckett of his "manhood" (although I doubt that he did), but it would not make him a "eunuch." Eunuchs were created for a specific purpose, usually to protect harems or concubines. Selected boys were castrated before puberty. Because they lacked testosterone, their bodies continued to grow until they were enormous size, often seven feet tall or more. Their size and inability to function sexually made them suitable guards for a sultan or emperor's wives. Jack referring to Will as a eunuch was a (likely deliberate) stretch, as he was obviously of normal size and had other secondary sexual characteristics. PNW Raven 17:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like speculation and a bunch of OR to me. There's nothing to state that, it can't be added to the article. --MajinVegeta 18:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

MEDITATION

I recently saw a promotional picture on the internet of Jack Sparrow meditating. I assume it was a promo for Dead mans chest, but i never saw a scene in the movies that contained that. Could we assume that Sparrow knows how to meditate? Jack Sparra 11:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen that also, but assuming he meditates= OR...--SUIT 04:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sparrow is seen "meditating" in the scene on Isla Cruces when Norrington is digging for the Dead Man's Chest. Jack is sitting off to the side while Norrington does all the hard work. I assume this is supposed to be an indication that Jack has traveled in India and the Far East. PNW Raven 01:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jack Sparra. I like your name and your opinions. Anyway, the user above is right on about this. c ya! oh, and for anybody who's reading this right now, I formerly signed just the time on stuff I edited since i didn't have a account, but now I have an account and everything. just for reference, cuz I had opinions on stuff like "Jack's Birthplace", "I know the mark he left on Becklett" and so on. Check out my user page. I have my own version of POTC 1,2, and 3 in progress and India Sparrow is one of the characters. Don't worry, Jack and the gang are still in it. Just with some twists and 1 new character. enjoy!!!! India Sparrow 22:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Info Box

There should be a "Pirates of the Caribbean" info box to be used on all POTC related articles Mhrmaw 12:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, but I myself don't know how to make one. I know, I'm not much help THERE. Gargoyle123 02:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Ring

The ameythest ring Jack takes from Tia Dalma is not Barbossa's ring. If you pay attention,the ring Barbossa wears is silver with an onyx stone and a animal insignia on the stone. He has it on as he desends the stairs at Tia Dalma's. Also, on the second disc of Dead Man's Chest,on the making of Captain Jack Sparrow,it says that the ameythest ring was a greco-roman ring Johnny Depp had got from a friend and he took it to the set for the second movie.Somebody please fix the error.

All the rings that Sparrow wears are actually Johnny's belongings that he never takes off. Gargoyle123 18:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Undead?

Should the "Fictional Undead" category really be there? He was only undead for about five to ten minutes. --SSJ4 Aragorn 04:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. --Philip Baird Shearer 14:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Captain Jack Sparrow → Jack Sparrow — Yes, I know Jack Sparrow himself always like to be called as "Captain," but other than him nobody else says so. Even the cast credits list him as merely "Jack Sparrow." In the end scene of Curse of the Black Pearl, the guy reads his name as "Jack Sparrow" as is done on the arrest warrant at the beginning of Dead Man's Chest. Clearly, "Jack Sparrow" should be the title, minus the Captain. Hbdragon88 02:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

1. I'm barely on the support side of ambivalence. On the one hand, Jack Sparrow has not always been a Captain and may not always be one; on the other, this is a fictional character best known as "Captain Jack Sparrow". Still, the latter can redirect to the former. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
2. Weak support: Also don't forget Captain Grant Sparrow though.--SeizureDog 00:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
3. Weak support The name flows out as Captain Jack Sparrow but RadioKirk is right. We have Tommy Franks article at his name and not General Tommy Franks and so forth. 205.157.110.11 03:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
4. Support The character may have a rank of Captain, but his name is Jack Sparrow. TJ Spyke 05:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. I think it should remain "Captain". He IS Captain Jack Sparrow in the movies 23:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

Black Eyeliner

The "Appearance" section in the Jack Sparrow article talks about Jack's black eyeliner being the same thing used for football players on their faces during a game.
That's true, but I was watching a dvd special feature where Depp talks about how Nomads, a long time ago, would use that black stuff to help reflect the sun. He talks about how this relates to Sparrow because, being a pirate, he is a sort of Nomad, and he is, of course, constantly out in the sun.

Football players also use eyeliner to keep the sunlight out of their eyes. So you can says either nomads or football players, the idea is the same. Fredvdp May 29

My account is relatively new, so I couldn't add in this little tidbit myself, but I think it should at least be mentioned. Captain Bubble 05:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Jack Sparrow's Birthplace

The article "Captain Jack Sparrow", under "Early Life", on this website reads that Jack was born in British Colonial India. Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide says that Jack was born on a pirate ship in a typhoon. I think this should be changed. 23:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It does mention that, I'll change it right away. Gargoyle123 02:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried to but it won't let me. Apparently the author thought they knew about it? Gargoyle123 02:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Pirate Lord

He is seen in the trailer when Barbossa's voiceover mentions the "Pirate Lords of the four corners of the Earth", and in the Pirates 3 website Will Turner (voiced by Orlando Bloom) mentions he is one of the Pirate Lords, thereby confirming it. So it should be added to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.3.179 (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Tia Dalma

Tia Dalma is supposedly Calypso, the woman that Davy Jones loved and a sea goddess. Has anyone else heard this?? India Sparrow 23:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

She is, I saw the movie last night Gargoyle123 16:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

jack sparow's birth during typhoon?

In the timeline for POTC movies it states that Jack Sparrow was born during a typhoon on a pirate ship - this is not stated in his article. Can anyone confirm this? And does it not beg the question if this might not have been a foreshadowing of his current occupation. --Kae-linn 21:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It is VERY true. Check the Disney's DK Pirates of the Caribbean Complete Visual Guide. Not only is it official but it has been revised and written by every consultant on set of Pirates. Gargoyle123 02:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Captain Jack's age has been an inquiry

If anyone is interested I did some figuring using the presequel books, the mention of 'little Benny Franklin', the year Franklin was born 1706 & the estimated year or years the POTC movies took place sometime in 1740's or after and I came up with a guesstimate age range for Jack. Since it is presumed that Jack is either 15 or 16 in the books, one could assume that his reference to 'little' meant that Franklin was younger maybe 12 or 13 which might put Jack's year of birth between 1701 & 1703. This possibly puts Jack in his mid to late 30's; 36-39 years old. He ages well.

If anyone can add to this and narrow it down even more your input is more than welcomed. --Kae-linn 20:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well...the consultants AND Jerry Bruckheimer said that Pirates 1 takes place in 1723, Pirates 2 in 1726, and Pirates 3 in 1726. Elizabeth is 20 in the first film making her 23 in the 2nd film. Will is a year older than her. Therefore it is safe to assume that Jack is not much older than them, possibly eight years or so over Elizabeth. I personaly have always thought that in Pirates 1 he was 27 and in Pirates 2 & 3, he was and will be 30. But, hey, I don't know for sure. I will be sure to look into it as I am writing a hopefully offical version of each movie's book and stories in past and future for continuation of their lives. They will be sent to Disney, however, and with my Pirates knowledge, it should work out as a great deal I hope. Gargoyle123 02:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok where is the real Jack Sparrow Page

I forgot where is saw it but thier is a site that conferms that thier is a real pirate named or is known by Jack Sparrow

Jack Sparrow is a fictional character and not a real person.Gargoyle123 03:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

JACK'S BIRTHPLACE VERIFICATION

If the verification information is needed, I would recommend that you read the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide, verified, edited, written by, and published by Disney itself, with a foreword by Jerry Bruckheimer. I'm deleting the verification needed superscript in the article because it is clearly stated there. I'm so glad that most of the information I and other's have contributed are used in the article! Gargoyle123 23:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack's Alleged Death

He didn't die. Tia Dalma even confirms this. In a short scene from the movie, which can be found here... http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=119646282 Pintel asks why they couldn't just bring back Jack Sparrow the same way Barbossa was. Tia Dalma replies that Barbossa was only dead. Jack was taken body and soul to Davy Jones' Locker. The Locker is not a place of death, but of punishment. Link_86_1 18:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

That is a fact; it's all in the movie! Gargoyle123 23:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack did die, and his soul was sent to the Locker. Barbossa simply died, and his soul did not go to the Locker. Same with Governer Swann, he is seen in the Locker, and he is dead. --MajinVegeta 00:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Living Quarters

It was said that during the entire filming of the second movie, Johnny Depp (Jack Sparrow) lived on a yacht instead of being with the rest of the crew. Can somebody please tell me if this statment is correct or incorrect. And if correct can you pleas tell me why did he do this? Thankz! MissOrange12 21:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)MissOrange12, May 24 2007: 5:05

Hi! I'm afraid I'm not sure but this is more to do with Johnny rather than with Jack, so I would put it under Johnny's article. Just a pointer! Gargoyle123 17:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

'The lizard run'

My memory might just be foggy, but I don't remember seeing or hearing anything about Johnny Depp basing Sparrow's walk after a basalisk running over water. It may very well be out there, but I searched for a long time and couldn't find. If anyone can find a reference for that statement, can you please cite that in the Demeanor section? Thanks. Arwen undomiel 00:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be funny, basing Sparrow's stride on a lizard running on the water. I don't remember reading that anywhere, even though I can see similarites. I'll attempt to find a source, if I can't, we can remove it. --MajinVegeta 00:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible alterations

Holy crap, this is an extremely long article! Perhaps we could possibly discuss alterations to it? Like some serious cutting down and removal of redundant information? --MajinVegeta 17:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The picture caption

"One of Jack's imaginary hallucinations." Isn't this tautological? The fact that the term "hallucination" is used already tells the reader that it occurs only within Jack's imagination... I'm modifying the picture caption regarding this :)

Yoda921 13:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Yoda

Funny you should mention that, I was thinking the same thing the other day when I read it, just didn't do anything about it. A hallucination is imaginary, it's a redundant phrase. Thanks for fixing it! :) --MajinVegeta 16:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack's Picture?

What happened to the other picture that showed him in his full outfit? As the one that's up now isn't that good at all, and the other one seemed to be much, much better, showing his outfit in full. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but I will say that I don't think we need a full body picture of Jack anyway. Sometimes the full body pics just take up too much space. And tell you the truth, I don't think that people are too interested in his feet anyway. Also it is stated that his clothes change as the films continue, so I don't see the point in having a shot that shows his full body. But I will agree that I don't like this one, and I wasn't the one who changed it. Perhaps a bust shot is all that's needed, or at least one from the waist up. --MajinVegeta 23:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Who created the Jack Sparrow character?

According to the Johnny Depp Wikipedia page, Depp has a real-life tattoo of a sparrow with his son's name Jack beneath it. Were the creators of the Pirates of the Caribbean movie inspired by this tattoo to name the character "Jack Sparrow" or did Johnny Depp have the tattoo made based on the movie? -- TTR 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Rossio and Elliott concieved the film long before Jack Depp was born. Depp Sr got that tatoo shooting film one. Alientraveller 16:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

His Flag

it looks like henry every's with a sparrow.