Talk:Interstate 70 in West Virginia/GA1
Latest comment: 13 years ago by Admrboltz in topic GA Review
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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 04:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose):
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
- "and entering a canyon." - does the canyon have a name?
- If it did, I would have named it. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Change "West Alexander" to "West Alexander, Pennsylvania" ?
- I mention Pennsylvania just two words before. And if the reader really gets confused, they can click the link. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- How about changing "before passing into Washington County and the state of Pennsylvania southwest of West Alexander.[5]" to "before passing into Washington County at a point southwest of West Alexander, Pennsylvania.[5]" I understand that you want to be concise, but it asks a lot of the reader to remember that the border at this point is north-south. We need to make this easy for the reader.
- Reworded to something different. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done.
- Reworded to something different. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- How about changing "before passing into Washington County and the state of Pennsylvania southwest of West Alexander.[5]" to "before passing into Washington County at a point southwest of West Alexander, Pennsylvania.[5]" I understand that you want to be concise, but it asks a lot of the reader to remember that the border at this point is north-south. We need to make this easy for the reader.
- I mention Pennsylvania just two words before. And if the reader really gets confused, they can click the link. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- "and entering a canyon." - does the canyon have a name?
- a (prose):
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- Fn 7 needs a Retrieved date.
- Don't use {{cite journal}} much,
Done --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Don't use {{cite journal}} much,
- Fn 7 needs a Retrieved date.
- a (references):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): {{GAList/check|y} b (focused):
- In history, state at the outset that traffic between Ohio and Wheeling used U.S. 40 prior to the construction of I-70, using bridges on Zane Street and Virginia Street.
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- How about discussing the Visitor Center on the westbound side at mile marker 12?
- Because its been demolished. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- You mention the reconstruction of the Wheeling Tunnel, but don't say when. The eastbound tunnel took 11 months in 2007, and the westbound tunnel took seven months in 2010.
- I know about the tunnel I just wrote that article today :P Done --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I know about the tunnel I just wrote that article today :P
- Please make clear that one reason for proposing replacing the tunnel with the over the hill alternative is that the tunnel is limited to two lanes in each direction, but I-70 is wider at both ends of the tunnel.
- I already mentioned it would improve traffic flow. I don't have a source for lanes on mainline 70, so I can't state the bottleneck like you are trying to have me do. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I understand your concern. I thought that there might be sources explaining why they proposed to replace the tunnel with more lanes. The current text implies that it is just a maintenance issue. However, I understand that the bridge over the Ohio River has only 4 lanes.
- Well traffic flow != maintenance issue. I mentioned its a traffic flow issue, which means exactly what you are referring to. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I understand your concern. I thought that there might be sources explaining why they proposed to replace the tunnel with more lanes. The current text implies that it is just a maintenance issue. However, I understand that the bridge over the Ohio River has only 4 lanes.
- I already mentioned it would improve traffic flow. I don't have a source for lanes on mainline 70, so I can't state the bottleneck like you are trying to have me do. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why is the location column blank in the last two rows of the exit list table?
- Because they are not located in a city or township --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done.
- Because they are not located in a city or township --Admrboltz (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am puzzled as to the traffic density data. The traffic at the PA border includes both the I-70 as well as the traffic that bypasses Wheeling on I-470. So one would think that the traffic desity at PA would be greater than the traffic density at OH. There must be a lot of commuter traffic into downtown Wheeling to result in such a high count at OH. I assume that both figures are comparable AADT data.
- All I did was put the raw data in to prose, however if I can bring in some OR (that wont be in the article) - theres a huge shopping complex, The Highlands, with a Cabela's and a bunch of other things at exit 10... they may be going there. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I read the sentence the opposite way - that the combined I-70 and I-470 traffic at the east end of town is much less than the traffic crossing the river toward downtown from the west on I-70 (excluding the I-470 traffic, which might include OH to Highlands travel).
- Sorry, misread your issue, well... still I can only go with that the data gives me, and thats what it says. It says that there are a bunch of travelers that merge in on the National Road and get off at WV 2... --Admrboltz (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- You have reported the data for 2009, which is the one year without tunnel rennovation. I am more confortable just reporting the highest segment 60,700 (the bridge) and the lowest segment 28,500 (the tunnel). If you want to stay with your approach, I would say "In 2009, WVDOT calculated that on average 32,500 cars per day traveled along the highway at the Pennsylvania state line, and 60,070 cars used the Fort Henry Bridge over the Ohio River."
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- You have reported the data for 2009, which is the one year without tunnel rennovation. I am more confortable just reporting the highest segment 60,700 (the bridge) and the lowest segment 28,500 (the tunnel). If you want to stay with your approach, I would say "In 2009, WVDOT calculated that on average 32,500 cars per day traveled along the highway at the Pennsylvania state line, and 60,070 cars used the Fort Henry Bridge over the Ohio River."
- Sorry, misread your issue, well... still I can only go with that the data gives me, and thats what it says. It says that there are a bunch of travelers that merge in on the National Road and get off at WV 2... --Admrboltz (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I read the sentence the opposite way - that the combined I-70 and I-470 traffic at the east end of town is much less than the traffic crossing the river toward downtown from the west on I-70 (excluding the I-470 traffic, which might include OH to Highlands travel).
- All I did was put the raw data in to prose, however if I can bring in some OR (that wont be in the article) - theres a huge shopping complex, The Highlands, with a Cabela's and a bunch of other things at exit 10... they may be going there. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- In history, state at the outset that traffic between Ohio and Wheeling used U.S. 40 prior to the construction of I-70, using bridges on Zane Street and Virginia Street.
- a (major aspects): {{GAList/check|y} b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- I am placing the article on hold. Racepacket (talk) 05:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Pass/Fail:
- Let's wrap this up. In the history section, I changed a comma to a < so the sentence now reads " reconstruction work in 2007[14] 2008 and 2010,[15][16] causing travelers to have to detour through Wheeling, or onto I-470." Do you want a comma in front of fn 14? Also, as I remember it, during the tunnel work, they closed one tunnel at a time and had traffic flow through the other tunnel as one lane in each direction. So perhaps we should say "causing congestion that led travelres to detour through Wheeling, or onto I-470." Perhaps also mention that the Ft Henry Bridge was rennovated in 1990 per fn. 10.
- No, they didn't, they completely closed one direction. Travelers were forced to take a downtown detour or take I-470. --Admrboltz (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, re: bridge repairs. While there is the minor mention in the NBI, there are no secondary sources that mention it. Also, routine maintenance is generally not included. --Admrboltz (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
So we just have the traffic density data and the history section and then we are done. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 12:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC) Good job. Congratulations. Racepacket (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)