Talk:Insex

Cydblack (talk) 23:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Removed commercial sites

Just a quick note, per previous discussions on AfD page, the commercial web sites listed aren't an important part of the information. I edited these out, and was able to keep the full meaning of the article. I hope that doesn't get anyone bent out of shape. If so, my apologies. Please see Wikipedia:External links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. Atom 08:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The AfD discussed many things, but the outcome was to keep this site. It would be great to maintain a link to the old Insex web page, except that page links to commercial sites that replace it. Someone interested can just go type "insex" in google. What is important is that Wikipedia:External Links does not allow it here. Using this page to push business to the replacement web sites isn't appropriate here.

If there is content on the original insex page that is relevant to the article, it should be brought into the article. Atom 19:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Pretty much every article among Category:Erotica websites links to at least one - often several - commerical websites. Banning any link to a commerical website is not WP policy. Sloan21 21:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, using Wikipedia to drive business to web sites is not appropriate. The article is about Insex, not for sending business to the companies who bought it. See Wikipedia:External Links. Just because it occurs against policy in other articles doesn't make it okay.

Hello, I do think that the links to Hardtied and InfernalRestraints are an important part of the "Insex Legacy". Insex was the brainchild of PD and thus he and Insex are essentially synonymous. Therefore any extensions of Insex, which Hardtied and InfernalRestraints are, should be at least mentioned here. I don't think linking to or at least mentioning the new sites is an attempt to "drive business to web sites". They are an integral "current" part of the insex story. Also Hardtied and Infernal are not part of the company who bought Insex. They are from the original company INTERSEC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.190.226 (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I recently added a whole section regarding the new documentary film about the site along with citations. I also edited out links to the two sites that were created after insex died, but then I read the comment immediately above mine and was swayed otherwise. Those sites were created by Intersec. I split the difference and cited their names and not their links. In this case it is obvious that the sites are not there for commercial advertisement, but rather for informational purposes. Cyd Black 22:17, 19 April (PDT) —Preceding undated comment added 05:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC).

I just re-read the archived delete page, and pardon my annoyance, but just to serve as an example for those who are arrogant enough to vote to delete articles on subjects which they know nothing about, or randomly remove people's names and change facts after doing nothing more than a google search, here is a gem of a quote from one of these "editors" regarding insex's notoriety:

"The mass media won't report about such a topic obviously. Not sure what sources you expect, NY Times? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.7.86 (talk • contribs)"

Well, it just so happens that now there is a documentary about the web site, widely reported about and advertised in mass media, which continues to win film festival awards - I think its up to six now. The references and links have been added to the article, with appropriate links. So please, if you don't have a clue about a particular subject on Wikipedia, resist the urge to edit articles based on biased assumptions. You don't know the first thing about what the mass media will and won't report about. Truth is often stranger than fiction and assumptions are the mother of all f**kups. Cydblack 17:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Another popular model

Lorelei Lee essentially started her career at Insex. She's a positive bdsm model and role-model. Anyone want to put her in? I'm not sure how to approach inserting her with proper style. 64.175.42.74 10:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The most famous in my eyes was surley Violett. She should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.173.168 (talk) 01:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

YX continued to make bdsm videos as Jenni Lee. Can anyone provide stage name for 33? Would a table Insex name or #/Stage names/retired be useful? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.130.5 (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it's probably best to contact the model before including her in the article. There are some high profile models who have worked for insex that have specifically requested their names not be added, regardless of their notoriety and the appropriateness of their inclusion and contributions due to privacy and other concerns. Of course, I recognize that public figures, such as models, who intentionally sell the rights to their image and likeness cannot reasonably have any expectation of privacy, however, I personally choose not to insert models name against their wills given the subject matter. It was even pd's policy to pull down and delete an update from the insex web site if a model later had a change of mind as he felt that the update had already made it's profit and he wished to honor the woman's wishes. So, one could say that erasing models from the site upon their request was an insex tradition that is simply being carried on, although I'm sure someone could craft an argument to refute this logic. Cydblack 17:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Demise of Insex

The attack to Insex was carried by forcing the credit cards companies to sever the contracts with the site, leaving Insex without a practical way to collect the fees it needed to keep running. The same strategy has worked mirably well, years after, with Wikileads and may be seen as the paradigm of internet censorship the American Way. Don't shut the site down - probably, DoJ has no legal right to do so, but pressure the credit card servers to cut the funding to the site and it will wither away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.132.47 (talk) 09:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Here's a cite supporting what 79.152.132.47 said: "When Insex.com closed down in 2005; it wasn’t due to a lack of interest. In October 2001, President George W. Bush signed into effect the Patriot Act, which stipulated it was meant for: ‘‘Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism.”This means the government had a right to investigate, wiretap and shut down any operation they deem as a terrorist movement. And, according to the documentary, Insex.com closed because the Department of Homeland Security labeled it violent pornography, which they reasoned was used to supplement terrorism. Because of the Second Amendment, however, they couldn’t just shut down the website. Instead, the credit card companies Insex.com worked with were pressured into dropping their business with Scott and his venture.Without online credit card payments, Insex.com had no way to make money." http://www.nypress.com/article-19454-whip-smart.html

If someone wants to add new information to the demise section that's great -- if not, maybe I will come back and do it later sometime. Thanks. Sue Gardner (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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