Talk:iPhone 4s/Archive 1

Archive 1

The iPhone 5 doesnt have an anouncent date.

The event at October 4 is not for announcing the iphone 2 they just send as message "Lets Talk iPhone"

Maybe they can release a 64GB version for iPhone 4 dont you think? (Sorry for my bad english im spanish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.146.212.189 (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

That is the name of the event, which should surely talk about the next-iPhone which is long overdue. By the way the name is well, named, I think Apple is going to integrate the Nuance/Siri voice recognition system. JohnHWiki talk - 10:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Clearly the speculation suggests a new iPhone 5. Yes Apple inc. has not "officially" made an announcement on the device, but many reliable sources are confirming that it will be an iPhone 5. We got to go with the sources as long as we quote them correctly as saying that Apple is "expected" to release the iPhone 5.--JOJ ^Hutton 13:00, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

iPhone 4S

I reckon this article should be moved to iPhone 4S, based on the latest news: Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta Alex Muller 22:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The Apple rumor-mongering sites are considered unreliable by some... --Cybercobra (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

This whole article relies on those same sites for its reliable sources. My take is that they tend to go back and forth on the 5 or 4s. As for now, leave it as is.--JOJ ^Hutton 23:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 109.148.107.47, 4 October 2011

apple iphone 4s has dual apple a5 processor rear 8mp camera 1080p video hspda+ 14.4mbps available 14th october 109.148.107.47 (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I've unprotected the article, so you should be able to make this change yourself. Hope this helps, Alex Muller 19:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

One of the Worst articles on wikipedia

those stats about the number of blackberry or android users planning to buy an iPhone 5 have no place in an article of this brevity. It's just self indulgent apple propaganda. the article should be locked. it's only 4 lines long and is edited around 15 times a day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.212.184 (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Be bold, remove the stats with a good reason listed if you don't believe it belongs in the article. WP:BOLD — Preceding unsigned comment added by YuMaNuMa (talk • contribs)

I bet you own and android or blackberry, facts dont lie, and those stats most DEFINETLEY belong in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.215.138.7 (talk • contribs)

The stats do belong in the article but definitely not in the lead. I don't want to go into depth about bias reports here but there is absolutely no detail on the research that was done by InMobi, usually a report of such controversy should come with a few extra pointers in explaining how the survey was conducted but its sourced so there is not really any reason to take it out of the article. The market share for InMobi is pretty much only the iOS platform as Android has its own advertising system(Google Ads) so that would be another reason to assume bias. YuMaNuMa (talk) 14:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple reliable sources confirm the stats. -- Luke (Talk) 20:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple reliable sources? It's one source that doesn't say anything about the sample size, their testing methods, OR their sampling bias (how they chose who they chose). Personally, I think that "andorid leak" that was posted on 4chan is more trustworthy than this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.136.206 (talk) 14:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC) edit: not to mention that the page says that they had "24 billion mobile ad impressions on the InMobi network over the past quarter" and "Monthly Impressions : 47.3 Billion", which are kinda contradictory.

Oh just shutup.

Multiple people make the same comment and you (67.215.138.7) tell them to "just shutup"? That is very disrespectful, and as you have not provided a reason for it being in the article aside from "I bet you own and [sic] android", I am now removing said numbers. Charwinger21 (talk) 02:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Does it look like I care...? One person made the comment because he's and android fan boy, same as you.

The iPhone 4S announced.

The iPhone 4S has officially been announced by Apple at the "Let's talk iPhone" event on October 4th. The device will feature the same design as the current iPhone 4, but will see interior upgrades. List of changes: A5 Dual Core proccesor (2x faster) Dual core graphics card (7x faster) New dual antenna design (2x faster download speed) 8MP Camera Full HD 1080p Video Recording Speech to text translation The device will be released on October 14th

• all speed increases are compared to the current iPhone 4 and have been obtained from the iPhone event on October 4th 2011.

I don't know about you guys, but just better specs and no 4G is not worth a 16 month wait, but eh, I'm, glad we got this stuff anyway. :) Giggett (talk) 21:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Of all the iPhone-related articles in this site, I can say that editors did not take much time to edit the page. It seems like they were too lazy to do it, because of the disappointment with the newly-announced product. I'm not an Apple fanboy, but come on, that's just unfair. 112.205.9.99 (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Fifth generation?

Is this really the fifth generation of the phone? I think it's more the 3.5 gen.
Original - 1st
3G/3GS - 2/2.5
4/4S 3/3.5

Right? DanielDPeterson (talk) 19:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. Send your personal complaints to Tim Cook instead. —stay (sic)! 19:41, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Well it's no doubt the fifth PHONE, but I don't believe that Tim Cook actually used the term "generation". DanielDPeterson (talk) 20:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

For sure it's the fifth generation, it's the 5th phone of course. I can see the next phone called the iPhone 6 or iPhone 4G, if they finally decide to use 4G. Giggett (talk) 21:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a half of a generation.--JOJ ^Hutton 21:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, then maybe 3rd gen (1st revision) as they changed it to on the iPods. A new phone doesn't always constitute a new generation. This was, IMO, a minor spec bump, as was the 3GS, and not worthy of a new generation. DanielDPeterson (talk) 03:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

What I observed is that the only time when Apple ups a generation is when the external design changes as with iPhone 2G, 3 and 4. YuMaNuMa (talk) 03:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Iteration rather than generation? danno 10:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Stop making up your own definitions for the word generation. It is the fifth-generation iPhone, period. There are enough technological differences between the iPhone 4 and the 4S to distinguish the two models. Compare iPhones. All disappointed Apple fanboys should protest/complain somewhere else. —stay (sic)! 21:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

iPhone 4S and the iphone 4s

I have noticed at least one instance where the plural of the iPhone 4 is written as iPhone 4s. This could be a potential confusion problem across the project. Any suggestions on a fix?--JOJ ^Hutton 18:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The official name used by Apple for the 5th-generation iPhone is the iPhone 4S. "iPhone 4S" is not the same as "iPhone 4s", the latter would imply more than one iPhone 4. —stay (sic)! 03:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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RAM Confirmation

Is the RAM amount confirmed? Otherwise we should just treat it as speculation and delete it from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsujimasen (talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple sources point out that the iPhone 4S has 512MB of RAM, the same amount as the iPhone 4. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] —stay (sic)! 22:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

But all of those links are based on one quote? 65.41.8.29 (talk) 18:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Do sources say that the iPhone 4S is the iPhone 5?

Just wondering if this is the iPhone 5 and if there are sources that confirm it.--JOJ ^Hutton 23:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Well it is the fifth generation, it's just not called that way. :P Giggett (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I know its the 5th generation, but its not the iphone 5.--JOJ ^Hutton 00:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Technically it is. It has all the features the iPhone 5 was rumored to have, just not the larger screen and slimmer design. But I can see why Apple does not like to make their phones larger. So yes, its the fifth generation, it has all the iPhone 5's features. It's just not called the iPhone 5, but some may call it that way anyway, just how I call the iPhone 3G the iPhone 2. :P Giggett (talk) 04:09, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Are there verifiable sources saying that people are calling it the iPhone 5? I have seen some that explicitly state that it is not the iPhone 5. Verifiable sources must be used in order to make the leap that people still call it the iPhone 5. Otherwise it is original research to call it the "iPhone 5".--JOJ ^Hutton 12:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Spelling of the Word Colour*** in the Camera section

Wikipedia dictates that when talking about Commonwealth topics to use British spelling and when talking about American subjects to use American English and spelling. Please change this since Apple Inc. is an American company, and the iPhone 4s therefore an American topic. The word is spelled colour instead of color.

 Fixed Baseball Watcher 22:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

C Spire Wireless

C Spire Wireless (formerly Cellular South) is getting the iPhone 4S soon as well. http://www.cspire.com/shop_and_learn/iphone/coming/?WT.mc_id=email_iPhone4SComing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluedragon1971 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Zach Vega (talk) 23:32, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Siri (software) security resource

Siri's Security Hole: The Passcode Is the Problem by Jared Newman, PCWorld Oct 20, 2011 12:50 PM 97.87.29.188 (talk) 23:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

". The SGX is the same GPU used in the iPhone 4S’ predecessor, the iPhone 4. However, the iPhone 4S uses a dual-core model, the SGX543,"

hardly same! (. The SGX is the same GPU used in the iPhone 4S’ predecessor, the iPhone 4. However, the iPhone 4S uses a dual-core model, the SGX543,)

we can say that is from the same family SGX, but is not the same. since this one is dual core and the other one is single core GPU. Hence not the same.

50.9.109.170 (talk) 07:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

agreed --Danbob999 (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Front Camera

On the wiki, the camera for the 4S is listed as 0.9 MP, which from what I can tell is only confirmed by a handful of news/blog sites previous to the actual release of the 4S.

The Apple site still lists the camera as VGA and my own testing indicates that the camera on the 4S is the same as that on the 4. Both still pictures and video taken with the front camera have a 640x480 resolution, rather than the 1280x720 resolution expected of a 0.9 MP camera.

SnickySnacks (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

1GHz Dual-core Apple A5, underclocked to 800 MHz

Could some one remove the reference to 1 GHz? It's a 800 MHz CPU. Whether a faster clocked version exists in an other device or not is irrelevant for the left side specs sheet. --Danbob999 (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

It is relevant as the Apple A5 was intended and manufactured to be ran at 1ghz. It was underclocked possibly to conserve battery. From what I understand, it is exactly the same CPU that is used in the iPad 2 and not another 'verison'. Also information should retained to maintain consistency with other articles. YuMaNuMa (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

When you buy a 3 GHz CPU from Intel, it's the same as the 2.8 GHz CPU. Intel doesn't sell the 2.8 GHz CPU as an "underclocked 3GHz". We can't even know if the CPU is capable of 1 GHz. Maybe Apple used its bad chips for the iPhone and that 800 MHz was the maximum stable speed. Or maybe that the intended speed was 2 GHz but that the iPad is underclocked to 1 GHz? Who knows? Saying otherwise would be pure speculation anyway, as Apple never reviled the speed of the CPU. --Danbob999 (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I have widely heard Amd employing this technique on its gpu and CPU but plausible nonetheless. No company will be willing to market a CPU as an 'underclock' but you do have a point about this being an assumed speculation from the media at large. But it's unlikely that iPhone 4s chips are defective, there can simply not be enough to go around. Agree that the information about underclocked cpu should be removed unless provided with a direct source quoted by manufacturer(Samsung/Foxconn) or Apple. YuMaNuMa (talk) 14:22, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Help!

Can one of the main contributors here help me onMyTouch 4G Slide. It seems I'm the only main contributor.Greg Heffley 21:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't touch Android phones. LOL. Just Kidding. I'll help take look.--JOJ ^Hutton 21:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Battery life issues - Batterygate?

There are many reports regarding battery life issues for 4S. Below are some of them. I think it is worth mentioning in the article.

• New iPhone Faces Battery Complaints - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/new-iphone-faces-battery-complaints/
• 'Batterygate': Apple's latest iPhone controversy? - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/batterygate-apples-latest-iphone-controversy/62165
• Apple's iPhone 4S runs out of power too soon, users say - http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19234280
• 4 Fixes For iPhone 4S Battery Woes - http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/231901930
• iPhone 4S users charged up over battery life - http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/31/8565630-iphone-4s-users-charged-up-over-battery-life
• BatteryGate? iPhone 4S Battery Issue Causes Apple to Investigate - http://technorati.com/technology/gadgets/article/batterygate-iphone-4s-battery-issue-causes/
• http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Apples-Newest-iPhone-Is-Good-but-402010/ Abhishikt (talk) 23:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 15 November 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} iPhone 4s is available in iran (islamic republic of) from October 28, 2011 these are some of online stores in iran that delivered iPhone 4s from october 28 http://www.gooshi-bazar.com/products/mobile/apple/593.html Shba (talk) 15:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I can't add that now; we need a better reference - such as a newspaper reporting about the launch. If you can find something like that, please ask again. Thanks!  Chzz  ►  22:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Front Camera spec

Hi, I find the Front Camera specifications have been changed by some unregistered version. I googled and found the Front camera is VGA but i don't know whether its 0.3 or 0.9 MP so somebody please check it and update it with correct data. Abdul raja (talk) 05:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I have also scoured the internet and didn't find much help on that besides the fact that it is VGA. I poked around a little and took two photos (granted, I have an iPhone 4S), one with the front camera and one with the 8MP rear. Analyzing the two photos' data, the rear camera had a resolution of 3,264x2,448 which translates to 8MP via this Megapixel Calculator, while the front camera's image resolution of 640x480 resulted in a 0.3MP image via that same tool. It would be great to find a true source which states that the iPhone 4S (and also 4) has a 0.3MP camera, but I'm sure that would discourage customers from buying the phone because they only really care about the number. —ddima (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh! That's great! You've iPhone 4S! So we are good with the data of Front Camera as 0.3 MP. Thanks for your effort! Abdul raja (talk) 09:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, glad I can help out! Cheers, —ddima (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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IPHONE 4

Can i buy the above i phone in the U.S and be able to use it anywhere i travel in the globe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.181.3.74 (talk) 03:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

This is not the proper place to ask such a question, but, yes, the iPhone 4S is a world phone. DanielDPeterson (talk) 07:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Accessibility

My understanding is that the accessibility features in iOS 5 on the 4S are somewhat of a breakthrough for people with disabilities, with competitors like Microsoft dropping the ball entirely. We should probably have a statement on these features and their usage on the 4S, which in combination consist of AssistiveTouch and Siri. Right now, this statement is in the iMessage section instead of a section named "Accessibility" or "Assistive technology". Viriditas (talk) 11:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Siri is unfortunately available only in 3-4 languages, where the device is available in tens of languages.--Caygill (talk) 16:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

iPhone 5

The iPhone 5 is scheduled to come out next year. And this article seems to more or less dance around the fact that the iPhone 4S is the Siri, and all it's functions. This should definitely be fixed, as I shall do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.235.188 (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

iPhone5.com is now terminated and iPhone 5 is now cancelled, sorry.

Siri class act lawsuit

Where should this law suit be included? Under "reported problems" or under the Siri -section?--Caygill (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

That should probably go into the Siri article. Zach Vega (talk to me) 14:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review

The following text has been directly copied from the peer review request

Comments from Jappalang

• I envision such an article about a device to tell me:
  • What is the product?
  • Features
    • What are its features/capabilities?
    • Any unique ones?
  • Development/production
    • How was it conceived?
    • Where was it manufactured and for how much?
    • What was its performance/reliability?
  • Release
    • How many did it sell?
    • What awards did it receive?
  • Impact
    • How did society/consumers receive it?
    • What was its impact on the company?
    • What was its impact on the industry?

  This article failed to do so for me. Information is scattered here and there and interrupted by spiels of irrelevant information. The Impact section has nothing about the impact of the device at all. I do not need a price/contract/service provider guide. This sort of things are ephemeral and trivial unless the phone only works with one service provider out of several (as per the first iPhone in the US for a time). Thus the Availability section is entirely unencyclopaedic in my opinion.

• The piecemeal sentences (several paragraphs simply comprise a single sentence) in this article does not reach the standard of prose requested for Featured Articles. Furthermore, sentences like "Its not clear what the impact of Siri speaking in public will be, but it does not have to speak out loud and can be used with headphones" have grammatical errors ("Its" is the possessive form of "it"; I doubt it is Siri that "[has] to speak out loud") and an unencyclopaedic tone (the intent is to use the contraction "it's", which is not encyclopaedic; neither is the proposition of stating "We do not know what the item is like, but ..."). In short, heavy copy-editing is required to phrase the sentences properly and to cast them in an encyclopaedic light (just reporting the facts).

• There are uncited items like "One unique aspect was that the whole management team of several people took turns discussing the new products" (frankly, that is not unique at all), the Design section, and various other sentences in the following sections.

• This ultimately is supposed to be an article about a common handheld electronic device, almost integral to everyone's life. Hence, its contents are supposed to be accessible to everyone who wants to learn more about it. It is not a DNA centrifuge nor a neutrino generator. It does not need to be phrased thoroughly in "tech speak" or full of little stuff that makes the technically-inclined happy but confuses the majority of the readers.

• In my opinion, the lede is already an overwhelming mass of "tech speak", as illustrated by the first sentence itself—"The iPhone 4S is a touchscreen slate smartphone developed by Apple Inc." While most likely know of touchscreen, what the heck is a "slate smartphone"? The "smartphone" is a marketing jargon and serves nothing except to obfuscate ("so the phone can think?"). Much more can be done with the simpler "The iPhone 4S is a mobile phone with a touchscreen interface. It was developed by Apple Inc and released to the public in October 2011." Readers readily comprehend what this sentence is saying without having to deal with technical jargon. Wiki-linking is no justification. Forcing readers to go to some other article to learn what a term means and losing them there (either because the article is more interesting or they gave up because it is the same mess of technical confusion) is a disservice to both the readers and the project. Wiki-links are supposed to provide extra information for the readers, not as links of convenience for article builders. Either cast the technical terms into context (such that the meaning can be easily guessed at) or provide a brief explanation of the term. Above all, write in a clear and concise manner.

• What makes the following reliable sources per Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-28/Dispatches?
  • http://www.ifixit.com/
  • http://tideart.com/?id=4e9dc842
  • http://www.keynoodle.com/iphone-4s-sells-1-million-in-under-24-hours/
  • http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/13/survey-29-of-smartphone-owners-47-of-iphone-4-owners-disappointed-in-iphone-4s/
  • http://www.appleinsider.com/
  • http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/05/iphone-4s-what-can-you-say-to-siri/
  • http://live.theverge.com/Event/Apple_iPhone_5_event_live_blog?Page=7
  • http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_announces_iphone_4s_new_antenna_better_battery/
  • http://cellphones.about.com/od/smartphonebasics/f/iphone_cost.htm
  • http://www.skoolboyz.in/
  • http://www.mukamo.com/apple-iphone-4s-price-philippines-2011/
  • http://gadgetronica.com/blog/iphone-4s-preorder-aircel-airtel-price.html
  • http://gizmodo.com/5847627/these-are-the-unlocked-iphone-4s-prices
  • http://iphonephilippines.com/2011/11/iphone-4s-heading-smart-communications.html
  • http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/17/iphone-4-confirmed-to-have-512mb-of-ram-twice-the-ipad-and-3gs/
  • http://toucharcade.com/2008/07/07/under-the-hood-the-iphones-gaming-mettle/
  • http://www.saudimac.com/2011/10/reserve-an-iphone-4s-from-jarir-book-store/
  • http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/375314
  • http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/10/apples-iphone-4s-has-512-megabytes-of-ram-just-like-iphone-4-and-ipad-2
  • http://www.pretenseofknowledge.com/2011/11/02/whats-up-with-the-iphone-4s-and-ios-5-battery-woes/
  • http://live.thisismynext.com/
  • http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/globe-ceo-ernest-cu-confirms-arrival-of-iphone-4s/

All in all, it is time to clean out the house in this article if one aspires it to be of better quality. Take what is presented in reliable sources and present data that informs the reader clearly on what the phone is and its impact. After that, ask someone who is experienced in the English language (and, preferably, not a "tech nut", so he or she can spot any stumbling point in the sentences) to go through and brush up the prose. Jappalang (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments from contributors

I strongly support the removal of all availability content on all mobile phone articles, it has been debated before on various mobile phone article talk pages that the availability section is nothing more than promotional material disguised as encyclopedic content. The only possible reason I see the need for the availability section is if there are variants of the phones that may be limited to an area or carrier or if there is a significant shortage of supply in a specific area. YuMaNuMa ^{Talk Contributions} 12:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, take a look at Windows Phone and Nokia Lumia 800, and you'll find the article to contain only "problems" and "issues".--Caygill (talk) 16:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Zach Vega (talk to me) 14:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

"Slate" is not a proper form factor for this phone.

Please remove the references to the "slate" form factor. Not only does this not qualify, but in fact that's a term used by HP et al. for tablet computers. Please correct this big mistake immediately. 174.253.23.54 (talk) 07:23, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

By definition the iPhone is the epitome of slate. Minimal buttons with a large touch screen as primary input, no slider, no hinge just one single slab of metal and electronic circuits. YuMaNuMa (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

The iPhone isn't described as a slate by anyone with industry knowledge and shouldn't be here. This has clearly been added without cause. In fact, iPhone_4 continues not to be described this way. Please check your facts. 174.253.23.54 (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll reiterate this to you, the iPhone is a slate and there is no doubt about it. In fact most brands don't market their phones as a slate but the form factor is there and the phone perfectly matches this definition. YuMaNuMa (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Please read this carefully and slowly so that you can try to understand: meeting some arbitrary definition define by amateurs does not make it an appropriate term for the Wikipedia page. Apparently this is a difficult concept for you to understand. 174.253.24.15 (talk) 15:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Well 174.253.24.15, you're wrong! The iPhone 4S is a slate. If you disagree, please give proof.Greg Heffley 20:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow, great and useful contribution Greg. You've really moved the ball forward on your Side of the argument by simply declaring your opinion to be fact. Fantastic job. 174.253.24.15 (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

See hereGreg Heffley 20:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

That says slab, not slate. And having the form factor be described that way on one website does not make it correct--no matter how badly you may want it to be. Nice try. 174.253.24.15 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

HereHereand HereGreg Heffley 21:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You just keep using the same stable of fallacious arguments and unreliable sources, Greg. You've offered nothing of value whatsoever to this discussion. Please feel free to read Wikipedia guidelines more carefully before making any further changes. Thanks. 174.253.24.15 (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You have provided no source at all, so who are you to make claims ? The term slate has been relatively new but it has been define by those in the industry not amateurs.. YuMaNuMa (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

And again, this term isn't even used on the iPhone 4 page in such a prominent place. It's inappropriate and arbitrary. 174.253.24.15 (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I see it on there.Mike 289(click on 9)! 21:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't know who's right about this question, but I do know that y'all are about to be blocked for edit-warring over the hat tag. Please stop. If you want to be done with a discussion, then be done - just walk away. Or, you could request additional comment, if that's your thing. Either way, please - both of you - calm down. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 21:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I also condemn the edit warring. Secondarily, I support the use of the term "slate". I noticed that the other iPhone articles do not reference the form factor in the infobox, but do not take that as precedent. Instead, I insist that whatever conclusion is reached be applied uniformly. HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 21:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have 2 points about this. Firstly "'slate' sized" doesn't actually mean anything if "slate" refers to a form factor (you can have large or small candybar phones - all candybar because of their shape, not their size). Therefore I believe the author was attempting to equate the iPhone's 3.5" screen as sized like a "slate". "Slate" is a marketing term for a tablet computer, first coined by Microsoft and HP for their Windows 7 tablet computer Here. It has since gained a little traction with people referring to Tablet Computers in general as "Slates" (but this is still not in general usage; "Tablet" is the standard definition, iPad is a "Tablet", not a "Slate" - Here has 3 mentions of "Slate" and 111 mentions of "Tablet"). Some newer phones with larger screens are seen as crossover devices and the term "Phablet" has been coined to describe them: Here. These all have 5" and larger screens.

Therefore at the very least the word "sized" should be deleted.

If the author was intending to refer purely to the form factor of the phone as a "slate" then this is also wrong. There is no such mobile phone form factor. I can find no external references to this form factor that were not influenced by the original Wikipedia entry for "Slate Phone" (since changed). I can't find any reputable sources before that entry was made. None of the tech press use that description of form factor. As previously mentioned above, "Slate" was the name for one product. It is very hard to cite sources to prove something that doesn't exist and prove that a term that isn't used, isn't used! Apple certainly don't use this term in any of their marketing material. So I would ask that unless a good source can be found to back up this use of the word "Slate" it should also be deleted.X4n63r (talk) 09:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Joke: Receptions !

Reasons:
Unscientific, isolated, not representative amateur statements.
Lots of unproven statements. Remember: Not anything written is true!
Questionable, blog-style references.

Do NOT remove the warning unless it is solved! Tagremover (talk) 12:17, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Could you be specific about the statements you consider to be "amateur", "questionable" and "unproven"? This article was successfully reviewed as a WP:GOOD one in May, and I can't see that the reception section has changed significantly since then. --McGeddon (talk) 12:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

User is under the misled impression that information in the critical reception section must be verifiable by scientific analysis (WP:NOTJOURNAL), I strongly doubt any reasonable reviewer will take these claims seriously. YuMaNuMa ^Contrib 12:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

iPhone 4S CPU frequency

Can someone PLEASE find an actual reliable source for it, the one that does NOT use a "GeekBench" benchmark results? I do not believe the "GeekBench" is a reliable enough program to use it as a reliable source of CPU frequency in mobile devices - for example, it produces different performance results from each run on the same exact hardware: compare this with this, also note that "GeekBench" detects the CPU in iPhone 4S as "ARMv6" architecture, which is incorrect, same goes for the amount of RAM which this program detects. Also, other unofficial sources identify the A5 CPU inside the iPhone 4S as "1GHz", and I don't really see why they should be considered "less reliable" than random approximation generated by "GeekBench" program.98.113.47.15 (talk) 00:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean, initial Huffington Post articles suggest that the iPhone 4S has a 1ghz processor whereas Anandtech which is relying on Geekbench suggest that it's clocked at 800mhz. I guess you can use inference and compare the iPad 2 benchmarks to the iPhone 4S to estimate the clock speed but that would constitute original research and inconsistencies may exist. How do you suggest we fix this? YuMaNuMa ^Contrib 08:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, since no reliable information seem to exist so far (aside from "random data"-generating GeekBench), then perhaps same should be indicated in an article, for example instead of using the "800" number we can use something like "variable frequency" or (since some people seem to "value" the GeekBench results for some reason) something like "approximately 800". Even Anandtech's own article (which uses GeekBench) has graphs where the CPU is labeled as "~800" because even he is not sure of precise frequency... 98.113.47.15 (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, all sources other than the early articles put it at 800Mhz. Most of them specifically state that Apple underclocked the CPU from the original 1 Ghz. This is consistent throughout all the sources I've found. You may personally doubt these results, but that seems to be original research on your part.

Furthermore, if I understand the software correctly, getting different results on different hardware just means that they didn't get the software to cycle up the processor properly. Thus the fastest time they get after multiple tests is almost assuredly correct.

Since you have indicated a willingness to use the "approximately 800" wording, I'm going to go ahead and use this and get rid of the dubious tag. — trlkly 16:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

iOS 8/9 & "limitations" (specifically...?)

Anyone care to offer a suggestion (or revision) of the following?

"Although the iPhone 4S has begun its limitations with iOS 8, iOS 9 is said to bring performance enhancements that may help the aging device run more smoothly again."

idfubar (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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does iPhone 4S = iPhone 4 Steve Jobs?

i heard some rumours, that iPhone 4S could be the original iPhone 5. But because Apple konwn Jobs would not be long with us, so named this one to iPhone 4 Steve Jobs. is it real?--83.189.35.235 (talk) 01:54, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

As of October 6, all the rumors are past and obsolete; there is no iPhone 5. While Steve Jobs is unfortunately dead, his name has nothing to do with the iPhone 4S. If I remember correctly, the "S" stands for speed. —stay (sic)! 03:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

It could also stand for "Speech" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.211.193 (talk) 18:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

It could also stand for "Sprint", but I'm pretty sure that since the "S" on "3GS" stood for speed, it's a safe bet that it stands for Speed again. DanielDPeterson (talk) 04:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that. The iPhone is also available on AT&T and Verizon, who were around longer with Apple than Sprint was. Apple hasn't accurately specified what the "S" stands for in the iPhone 4S. My guess it could be speed, due to the new high-speed 14.4 Mbps HSDPA data download, which has been described by some observers to be "4G-like" download speeds, or due to the A5 processor in the iPhone 4S. Another wild guess could be the "S" is short for Siri. —stay (sic)! 22:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Or iPhone 3GSecond Generation (3GS) or iPhone 4Second generation (4S) Makedonija (talk) 07:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think that all of you guys could be right. They might of not said the official meaning of the "S", so they can leave it out as a mystery. Making everyone think that it can mean anything. For example: Steve (Jobs), Speed, Sprint, Siri, Speech (voice control) or Second (generation). While some people use the "S" for negative reviews. Giggett (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Another could be Four-s -> Force. 80.167.128.27 (talk) 23:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The “S” means Siri, not speed the “S” in the iPhone 3GS meant speed 21C117 (talk) 17:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

iPhone 4S

I heard that the phone could be hacked by jailbreak. Please add info about what jailbreak is usable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blox9194 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Name change from 4S to 4s

This phone has been named the 4s, not the 4S, for more than ten years. Most sources properly refer to it as the 4s. Wikipedia policy is to respect casing in names. I wrote more about this on the page for the iPhone 6s that I won't repeat here. See also: Apple's list of iPhone models.

It doesn't matter that 4s sounds like the plural of 4. I happen to agree with that and think it is stupid to name a product with a lower case s at the end like this. Nikon does the same stupid thing (I used to own a Nikon 70s and now own a Nikon 300s. Dumb names! But my opinion doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter if the phone was ever called the 4S by Apple. Names get changed and Wikipedia articles are routinely updated to reflect current names (e.g., Altria, not Philip Morris). The name of the phone is clear and Wikipedia should respect it.

Therefore, I am being BOLD and changing the page and requesting a move. If you disagree, please do not revert. Discuss here instead.

RoyLeban (talk) 06:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• I fixed two filenames that I had inadvertently broken when I made this change. RoyLeban (talk) 03:21, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
• I've WP:Bold-refine'd it. I don't think it's wise to have a whole sentence on the capitalisation at the beginning of the lead; it's trivial detail, and the risk of readers dropping off due to boredom and not reading further is too high, so I've moved it to an explanatory footnote. It also was not originally named "4 S" with a space. And I've removed "sometimes stylized as the iPhone 4🅂", because that's only a wordmark (in graphics). In text, it's never spelt with that fancy unicode (not even by Apple), just a plain "S". It's also self-evident, since people can plainly see how the wordmark looks in the infobox; alt text may be used for blind readers, but there's no need to describe trivial details in text that anyone can see with their own eyes (same as we wouldn't describe it as a "rectangular, flat object with a screen and some buttons" in the lead). — DFlhb (talk) 08:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
• Move - I agree with moving the page to iPhone 4s - that name reflects the model's actual name, and it should match the consistency of Apple product naming. - Evelyn Marie (leave a message · contributions) 23:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)