Talk:History of Raëlism/GA1

GA Reassessment

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To uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of October 14, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

There are multiple problems with this article, most importantly its non-neutral point of view, the quality of the sources used, and the quality of the prose.

• The article contains absolutely no criticism of the movement. Has it never been criticised in its history?

• There is one dead link.[1]

• Most of the sources cited seem to be either the official web site or derivatives of it. Reliable third party sources are needed as well.

• Many of the sources cited do not appear to be reliable. For instance, pollystaffle.com, playboy.com, and adultentertainmentexpo.com.

• The lead is too short to adequately summarise the article.

• The prose needs some significant work:
  • "Raëlians are also believers of the Raëlian movement's version of its history ...".
  • ""In January 2007, two female Raëlians Lara Terstenjak and Nadine Gary presented themselves for organization at the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas, Nevada to raise funds in support of the cause."
  • "In August 6, 2003, the first day of Raëlian year 58 AH,[42] a tech article on the USA Today newspaper mentions ..."
  • "In July 2001, Raëlians on the streets attracted Italians and Swiss people as they gave leaflets in protest to over a hundred child molesters in existence among Roman Catholic clergy in France." Hard to know where to begin with that sentence. How did the Raelians find these 100 child molesters to hand out leaflets to them?
  • "A mobile condom vendor—a pink van dubbed the "condom-mobile"—was orchestrated by a Raëlian transsexual. The transsexual advocated the notion that extraterrestrial Elohim wanted the teens to live a long life of pleasure ...". So is that the movement's official view, or just of that one (unnamed) transsexual?

• 'Raël's return to racing. We havent' been told before that Raël was ever a racing driver, so how could he be returning to it? It's not at all clear what this hobby has to do with the history of the movement in any event.

• Several of the citations do not support what it's claimed that they do. For instance, #1, #24, and #48.

--Malleus Fatuorum 13:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Something like this could instead be in the article "Raëlian beliefs and practices". I think having the article of "History of Raelism" when articles like "Raëlism", "Raëlian Church members estimates", "Raëlian beliefs and practices", already contain "history" is problematic. I don't like the following idea, but it seems I may have to dissolve this once-a-GA article into others so that the less reliable sources can be diluted into those with better more reliable sources. I do not know if that solves the problem of their unreliability however.Kmarinas86 ^(6sin8karma) 03:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be an excellent idea. --Malleus Fatuorum 03:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

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