Talk:Hispano-Suiza 8

Basic article

I realize this is still incomplete but I figured it was better to give a general outline of the engine than to have a very short stub. What's still needed is notably facts and figures about foreign-built models (especially the Wolseleys) and also foreign derivatives of the HS-8. I probably have made some mistakes as well so any correction or comment would be welcome. Maybe with the help of others, this could become the basis for a good article. This engine is worth it IMO. Gaetan Marie 14:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Teething problems

The HS-8 had numerous teething problems which were obviously overcome since it enjoyed such success, but I have not found much documentation concerning them. That is another thing lacking in what I've written for the moment. Any help would be appreciated. Gaetan Marie 14:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Over half of all allied aircraft?

Several of the statements in this paragraph (with all respect to our source) strike me as highly unlikely.

Sometimes referred to as the "Rolls-Royce Merlin of World War I", the Hispano-Suiza HS-8 engine was the most important Allied aircraft engine produced during the First World War. It powered over half the Allied aircraft.

WHO refers to it as "The RR Merlin of WWI"? - frankly that is a very poor analogy in many ways. Is it just the author of the magazine article used as a source? I have never seen it so described anywhere else.

Was it really the most important Allied aircraft engine produced during the First World War? I can think of a number of others (like the Clerget or Le Rhone nine cylinder rotaries, for instance) that might be in the running for that one.

Did it really power "over half the Allied aircraft"? This strikes me as VERY unlikely. There were never enough HS V8s to go round, and a fair few aircraft BUILT to be powered by these engines ended up being scrapped without ever receiving their engines. (e.g. British B.E.12bs, Dolphins, and even S.E.5as). Other types designed for the engine either made do with something else (e.g. the R.E.8) or simply never went into production (e.g. the Austin_Ball AFB1). --Soundofmusicals (talk) 09:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

That is a fact. Hispano-Suiza helped Allied aircraft during WW1 to win the war with the most dependable and efficient engine designed in that period of time. Another fact is that Germans copied the design of Hispano-Suiza to develop their last water-cooled engines during the end of WWI. Spad aircraft was the reason. Klanzer (talk) 04:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

SPAD aircraft dominated European air space at the end of WW1. The engine was Hispano-Suiza V8. Klanzer (talk) 04:13, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

SPAD XIII engines?

It states in the article that the 200 HP variant powered all SPAD XIII aircraft However, if you look at the page for that aircraft it says

'at first a 8Ba providing 200 hp (150 kW),[10] but in later aircraft a high-compression 8Bc or 8Be delivering 220 hp (160 kW) was often used.[18]'Dean1954 (talk) 12:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

New information added by document edited in 2018 by Museo de Aeronáutica in Spain.

Please, I had to open an account yesterday here as editor by your rules. I'm working in historical association in Museo de Aeronáutica y Astronáutica at Madrid, Spain and I can read a incomplete information. The information was published by this Museum in 2018 on PDF that I linked at the end of the article. I haven't time to read and assimilate the way to editing here, on Wikipedia. I see that you can't help me. The PDF is an official document edited by historians of the Spaniard Museum, the country that designed and built this engine. Klanzer (talk) 04:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, thanks to Bill and Nimbus to erase the crucial information edited by the 9th best aircraft museum of the world by its own aircraft collection, and declare a bulletin edited by this museum a non reliable information by the historians that have decades studying Hispano-Suiza, a Spaniard brand. The Wikipedia readers will appreciate your contribution to the knowledge. Never I will edit here an Article. If you are happy with incomplete information isn't my problem. You are collaborating to the bad fame of Wikipedia. Thank you very much for your help. Klanzer (talk) 04:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

In my edit summary three links were given to key Wikipedia policies: Remove unsourced addition, text with claims and facts requires citations from reliable sources per WP:RS, WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY. Two of these are policies (mandatory) and the third is an editing guideline (highly recommended).

• The museum document is a self-published source (WP:SELFPUBLISH). Museum placards and documents are notorious for mistakes and inaccuracies and cause much confusion on Wikipedia and Commons where aircraft and engine images are incorrectly identified by museum staff (most are well-meaning volunteers). The document is also in the Spanish language, while allowed English language sources are preferred. The original text added was poorly written, I speak and write very good German but rarely edit Wiki.de in case I make mistakes and cause other editors to make corrections.
• The PDF (that I eventually found) was placed in the 'External links' section as a bare URL (web address), it should have been in the 'References' section or used as part of a citation.
• 'See below, see above' etc is not used to direct readers to a source, citations are used WP:CITE, these are the small blue numbers that appear after text. If I or any other editor converted your addition to a citation it would appear to endorse the document as a reliable source which it is not.

The aircraft type name was formatted incorrectly, a link already exists as a redirect, Barrón Flecha. As there is no mention there of the Hispano 8 being its powerplant it can not be included in the application list here or in the Lohner article without a citation to a reliable source.

I do help editors where English is not their first language if the correction is straightforward and easy as I do English speaking editors who have not quite made their edits correctly.

The onus (responsibility) is on the editor adding the information to follow the policies, the onus is not at all on other editors to clean up.

Sarcasm in your post on this page is not civil and does not assume good faith and will not endear any editors to help.

Continuing to revert removal of content by other editors is considered to be edit warring.Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 09:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a source on the Flecha - good luck finding an English language one though, but it WAS clearly fitted with numerous engines during the course of its existence, one of which appears to be the Hisso 8 based on the distinctive shape of the valve covers and that it has 8 exhausts, and probably at the end of it existence. Not really sure it is notable for that though as MANY aircraft were fitted with Hisso 8s around that time. - NiD.29 (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)