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Talk:Hamilton Township, Mercer County, New Jersey

Latest comment: 5 years ago by 24.148.96.146 in topic Metric infobox

There's a revert war going on here wherein people are removing information about a traffic circle located in this township because of the result of the VfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Horse Circle. Okay, so maybe the traffic circle doesn't need an article of its own. But what possible reason is there for not including information about it here? This article is currently just a bland Rambot product without any other content, shouldn't it grown beyond that by having more content added about places and events of significance? It's not like the article is busting at the seams with too much information about the township, overwhelming readers with detail and trivia. If it had been put in here first instead of in its own article, would anyone be trying to rip it out now? Bryan 01:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

It's a question of enforcement of AfD. SPUI is subverting a valid consensus to delete by treating it as a merge/redirect. If any delete consensus can be unilaterally overridden by a single user who decides he doesn't like the result, then AfD is useless. Any consensus to rdirect can be seen as a consensus to keep, and any consensus to delete can be made into a merge. So what does "delete" mean? If you wanted the information merged into this article you shoudl have made your voice known at the AfD. Too late now. That option was given at at the AfD and dismissed. SPUI shoudl stop trolling and, if his aim is to improve this article (which I am certain it is not), he should add content about "places and events of significance", not a circle of asphalt. I'm sure there's more to say. I shudder to think that some of these admittedly dry (but somewhat useful) Rambot articles will have the census information and then a paragraph saying "Vermincathcer Road is a street in Tongueston, VA, it is one block long and has 16 houses, numbered 20 through 67. The intersecting roads are 4th Street and Glooorp Ave. The cul-de-sac Speeple Place comes off about where the road curves a bit to the north. There is a mailbox on the corner and a fire hydrant about halfway down, between numbers 48 and 52. The curb is higher than average, about 10 inches in parts." etc. because the article on Vermincathcer Road had been (quite rightfully ) deleted at an AfD. A delete is NOT a merge redirect. SPUI should face up to this. -R. fiend 17:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
Kindly fuck off. It is now in White Horse, New Jersey so move the revert war there. --SPUI (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
"It's a question of enforcement of AfD." Exactly as I said, this is a matter of holding process to be more important than content. I couldn't care less about what AfD's policies might or might not say, they're getting in the way of writing a good article about Hamilton Township (or White Horse, now) and therefore they're stupid policies. You are completely ignoring my basic question regarding why a description of a local landmark doesn't belong in an article about the locality it's a landmark in. Bryan 22:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
The content was determined by consensus to be subtrivial crap that doesn't belong in wikipedia. That's why it was deleted. That's what this is about. And how is a circle of asphalt a "landmark"? Does anyone go to Hamilton to see their traffic circle? Does the local tourist board promote it? Of course not. The only thing getting in the way of writing a good article is SPUI, who insists on writing crap instead of pertinent information. He obviously has no interest in improving the article. Basically we have a small group of people (and now you seem to be among them) who are insisting that if they think an article shouldn't have been deleted then it can be recreated at their discretion. Yes, it is about policy, and it is about content, and it is about thwarting an effort that seems to be underway to castrate AfD. -R. fiend 22:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
White Horse has a population of 9,373. What about a town of less than ten thousand wouldn't be considered "subtrivial crap" to you? The neighborhood I live in probably has fewer people than that, and we don't have any traffic circles here at all. Bryan 22:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
The way I understand it, a VfD merely means that something was judged to be undeserving of a separate article at the time. Extending this into a mandate that no part of the content of this past article may ever exist anywhere in Wikipedia until the end of time is not justified by the rules, as far as I am aware. This is not the first time I've seen "WikiCops" try to enforce such a nonexistent rule with Judge Dredd-ish draconianism. *Dan T.* 23:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
Well, you don't understand it then. "Delete" means delete, not move, not merge. I've tried to make this point many times and each time someone comes up with the same spiel: "well I think this content is okay, so it doesn't really need to be deleted..." Well that's nice and all, but you've had a chance to make your opinion known at AfD and you didn't. Too bad. By your logic a merge vote and a delete vote are identical, while at the same time it's argued that they are diametrically opposite. The flaws in logic are large enough to steer a battleship through. "No part of the content of this past article may ever exist anywhere in Wikipedia" is not quite true, but a simple cut/paste of the content with a redirect is clearly ruled about by a consensus to delete. If someone writes an article on a friend of their's who has done nothing of note, such an article would be deleted. For the author to recreate the content in a different space, by your logic, would be A-OK, encourgaed, even. As for a city with a population of 9,373 not having anythign except subtrivial shit, well, if SPUI really wanted to improve these rambot articles (which he doesn't, he's an ass trying to make a point) hr could write about the main commerical center of the town, or it's government, or some attractions (there must be something beyond an exit ramp,) or the goddamn high school for chrissakes. It's been pretty well established that if you can write a quarter decent article on any sort of school it's at least worth a mention in the town's article if nothing else. Look through the AfD's for the past week, and tell me that of all the articles where there was a consensus to delete, that it's perfectly acceptable for all the content therein to be merged elsewhere. That's not what Afd is for. -R. fiend 00:55, 3 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
It is also possible that some people think AfD means one thing, some people think AfD means something else, and that neither of them is "objectively right" - ie, the people who disagree with you as to what a delete result means aren't misunderstanding some fundamental truth, they're just of a different opinion. In any event, the discussion (and the attendant revert war) has moved over to White Horse, New Jersey. Bryan 00:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

This little quarrel about the Whitehorse Circle in Hamilton Twp seems to have happened awhile ago. For residents it is not necessarily a landmark so much as a very famous point of reference. To give directions to several places you will say go to the Whitehorse Circle...I didn't even realize that there is actually a subdivision called White Horse until I read this entry. I just knew that the Whitehorse Circle was something I needed to learn how to get to within the first week of moving to Hamilton...as everyone references it in directions to most places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.178.210.109 (talk • contribs)

Fortunately, it looks like my version of sanity ultimately prevailed and information about the traffic circle can be found over in White Horse, New Jersey. :) Bryan 00:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)Reply


Who added the bit acout the Turnpike widening? I don't see how the widening could cause the "condemnation" of portions of the two service areas stated, considering both the main road and the service areas are owned by the NJTPA. --38.117.185.138 (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Is there a specific reason the infobox shows area and population density in km (mi) format instead of mi (km)? It seems strange, given that the township is in the US and the same values in the article text are written mi (km), and it's a somewhat obvious deviation from most other US place articles. 24.148.96.146 (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

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