Talk:HMS Hermione (1782)/GA2

GA Reassessment

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Frankly, this 2011 promotion does not meet the standards ship articles at the GA-level are held to these days. There's significant uncited text, which I've marked with CN tags, as well as the entire "In popular culture" section lacks citations, as do all of the footnotes. The lead in incredibly insufficient (3 sentences for an article with 14kb readable prose!), and there is significant important information missing from the prose body of the article. The date the ship was laid down doesn't appear in the prose. The basic characteristics of the ship aren't described. In fact, we aren't even told what class this ship was from. Will be notifying the Military History and Ships WikiProjects, as well as Kirk!, who was involved in the promotion and is still semi-active. Hog Farm _Bacon 20:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Task list?

Thanks for your help improving this article! As far as the uncited text goes, I do not think that would be difficult to remedy. The other tasks are relatively straight forward (more lead prose, additional infobox facts)

I can take a stab at this, also it would be better to aim for A if we're spending significant time on this article? Kirk (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kirk!: - I can take a quick look to see how close to A-Class it is after the GA issues are addressed. I think once the lead and the uncited text gets resolves, it'll look a lot better. Hog Farm _Bacon 14:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Is there anything outstanding? Woody (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Woody: - The last paragraph to the end of British service section ends with a note, but no citation. Get a citation there, and it'll be good and the GAR will be closed. Hog Farm _Bacon 15:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and the reply. The citation for that sentence was in the note itself. I'm not quite sure what we do in that case so I've copied it to the end of the sentence as well just to be sure. Woody (talk) 15:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Ought to be good now. For A-Class, I'd recommend the dimensions and stuff get added as a prose paragraph. Not sure how to close this, so if any of y'all know how to close this, feel free to do so. Hog Farm _Bacon 15:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Woody (talk) 15:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Significant important information

@Hog Farm: I fiddled with it a bit. However, no idea when she was laid down or any way to update the characteristics. The books I had around the corner from my desk are not available online so we might be stuck for now... Kirk (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm. If you have an idea what page numbers you need, you can try WP:RSX. I'd like to see this get back to GA-status, and it's getting a good deal closer. You can also try WT:MILHIST and WT:SHIPS to see if anyone else has any copies, as well. Hog Farm _Bacon 15:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

L/B/D: 129' x 35.4' x 15.3', 717 bm, Teast, Tombs & co. Bristol 1782 -> Paine, L. P. (2000). Warships of the World to 1900. United States: HMH Books p.73

Colledge has 716 bm, 129x35ft Teast & Tombs Bristol 9.9.1782 p.162(? the ebook says 700 something) I'll cram that in later today.

David Lyons' The Sailing Navy List: All the Ships of the Royal Navy - Built, Purchased and Captured 1688-1860 (Conway 1993) may well have useful data. Davidships (talk) 10:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I found a different Winfield (2008) edition online which has the class details, incl. the date laid down. Kirk (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)