Talk:GrapheneOS/Archive 4

Potential sources for hardened_malloc

The wiki pages for Arch Linux and Kicksecure (associated with Whonix) have some information on Daniel Micay's hardened_malloc. Are these viable sources to use?

• https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Hardened_Malloc
• https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#Memory -- User:Nemoveritas (User talk:Nemoveritas) 15:37, 26 Dec 2022 (UTC)

@Nemoveritas: These are self-published sources, which are usually not acceptable for use in articles. Usually we look for sources that are published by a reputable publisher, such as books, journal articles, news articles, etc. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for more details. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Note: hardened malloc is mentioned in this article; however, it is based on a 9to5Google citation, which may soon be deprecated.

I agree. Also, they are mostly based on Daniel Micay's self-published, self-serving, writeup at github. If we are going to consider using such poor sources, we will need to re-open whether to use other, less self-serving, self-published writings, like:

• CalyxOS and android-prepare-vendor: GrapheneOS android-prepare-vendor Android 12 port must not be used by CalyxOS #78 [1]
• Bromite: Please remove all code from Vanadium and GrapheneOS project members #2141 [2]
• Bromite: "If you're going to be collaborating with a group (Calyx) involved in a substantial misinformation and harassment/bullying campaign directed towards our project and developers we expect all of the Vanadium patches to be removed,.." [3]

-- Yae4 (talk) 14:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Derogatory information about Micay, the person

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The article is about GrapheneOS. It is not a biography on Micay. The information being persistently added is inappropriate for this article. In addition, the sourcing is unreliable, and it is not all "about self". Please stop adding it. -- Yae4 (talk) 06:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

In what edit did i publish "Derogatory information about Micay"?

"It is not a biography on Micay"

I know that.

"information being persistently added is inappropriate for this article"

I was trying to add context for why he was stepping down, which was relevent to what you added before me,

And while adding context i thought it made sense to state that some of the reasons he stated for stepping down (the swatting and harassment) was alleged by him, (i found no significant sources and/or evidence to back up his claims, feel free to provide sources/evidence that proves me wrong).

"the sourcing is unreliable"

The added source was from the official GrapheneOS forum, from a post made by Micay, which may as qualify WP:ABOUTSELF.

"and it is not all "about self""

I would like context here, as im not sure i understand what you mean.

2603:7080:A900:61EE:742B:2E88:1439:38B4 (talk) 07:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

2603:7080:x, Personally I doubt it is true he "stepped down", but felt it was bland and uncontroversial enough to include, given the several other statements about Micay or GrapheneOS mostly based on Tweets (which I would favor removing, BTW). The guide for the rest of what you want to add is "Do not leave unsourced or poorly sourced material in an article if it might damage the reputation of living people" from [[WP:BURDEN}}. If you cannot already understand this, I have no more words to help you, and you should seek assistance from someone else. The forum post was by "strcat"; reasonably informed readers know this is Micay, but I was unable to add other "don't use my source" statements from "thestinger" on github, partly because of that. Also, the forum post duplicates the series of Tweets, so there is no need for that cite. About self: His allegations are claims about others. As this is NOT a biography, there is no need for explaining (what he says are) his reasons; additionally "it might damage the reputation".

I favor citing archive org because Tweets/Nitter frequently change or disappear; the dates you changed were previously correct, except no archive date was given. I'll change back. -- Yae4 (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

"Personally I doubt it is true he "stepped down","

Ok, thats your opinion, not fact, the facts that we have to go on right now is that hes stepping down.

"given the several other statements about Micay or GrapheneOS mostly based on Tweets (which I would favor removing, BTW)"

It would be prefered if their were other sources available, but twitter/GrapheneOS sites are really all we get due to lack of news coverage about alot of GrapheneOS news (Micay stepping down is a good example).

"If you cannot already understand this, I have no more words to help you, and you should seek assistance from someone else"

This seems kinda passive aggressive?

"The forum post was by "strcat"; reasonably informed readers know this is Micay, but I was unable to add other "don't use my source" statements from "thestinger" on github, partly because of that." This could be solved by stating something like: '"Daniel Micay (@strcat) announces he stepping down" in the source title, but whatever i guess the tweets and the forum post have basically the same information.

"About self: His allegations are claims about others. As this is NOT a biography, there is no need for explaining (what he says are) his reasons; additionally "it might damage the reputation"." Damage the reputation of who? I was quoting what Micay said, pretty sure that other editors wouldn't agree that what i added was a "biography" (maybe im wrong), but whatever people can just go to the tweets/forum and read it themselves.

"I favor citing archive org because Tweets/Nitter frequently change or disappear; the dates you changed were previously correct, except no archive date was given. I'll change back" Archive.org is cited as the archive-url so theres really no reason why both cant be in the source, if the tweet is deleted or changed, url-status can be changed to dead, i will change the access-date back to what you had it as.

2603:7080:A900:61EE:88F3:28C5:C6A7:A954 (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Special:Diff/1199739165

The commentary about contributing to GrapheneOS GitHub repositories seems unnecessary or undue, as stating to drop out as a "lead developer" doesn't mean a person couldn't still be a developer under the lead of someone else. 84.250.15.152 (talk) 13:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)