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GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked   are unassessed

I will get on with this right away! --K. Peake 08:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead

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  • The B-side is not sourced anywhere in the body
  • Added source. Let me know if it's alright. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Why are the genres ordered differently in the infobox from the body?
  • Stylize as US instead of U.S.
  • The production credit needs to be written out in the body to be mentioned in the lead
  • Removed it from lead, it's not mentioned frequently in sources. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Start a new sentence at the song's 1988 release, mentioning that an extended version was released three years later
  • "song whose lyrics were based" → "song, with lyrics that were based"
  • "and it features androgynous vocals" → "and features androgynous vocals"
  • Remove the instrumentation since this is too much detail for the lead
  • Remove the director introduction to Jonathan Demme per above
  • "he featured "Goodbye Horses" in his film" → "he featured the song in his crime comedy film," with the pipe
  • "from his psychological horror film" → "of his psychological horror film,"
  • "widely lauded for its use of the song." → "widely lauded for the usage."
  • ""Goodbye Horses" has since been used" → "Since this, the song has been used"

Composition and writing

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  • "only earthly and finite."" → "only earthly and finite"." on the audio sample text per MOS:QUOTE
  • Remove the singer introduction to Q Lazzarus since that being in the lead is sufficient
  • "after Q Lazzarus and the Resurrection disbanded" → "after the band disbanded" but this part is not sourced
  •   Done, and I'll figure out which source I used to verify this. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • The "dreamlike" quote is not sourced
  •   Fixed link to show "dreamlike" quote. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • [2] should solely be invoked at the end since a ref should only be used once in a sentence
  • [10] should be invoked after snare drums instead per it sourcing info up to here
  • Where are the drum pads sourced?
  • "...her androgynous vocal soars over murky pads, picked guitar, and a pounding snare." Taken from this ref. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • "had a "strangely" → "has a "strangely"
  • "in its lyrics," → "in the lyrics,"

The Silence of the Lambs appearance

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  • Remove overly obvious wikilink on New York City
  • It is only sourced that the song was played, not any demo(s)
  • "fuck me so hard,"" → "fuck me so hard"," per MOS:QUOTE
  • Is all of the film synopsis really sourced?
  • In the scene, the film's antagonist, serial killer Buffalo Bill puts on makeup in the mirror[1] and plays with his nipple ring while his victim, Catherine[2] attempts to escape from a pit.[3] As the song plays, Buffalo Bill says to himself, "Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me so hard",[4] and then begins dancing naked into a video camera[5] with his penis and testicles tucked between his legs to see himself as a woman[6] as Catherine cries in the background.[7] benǝʇᴉɯ 05:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Add the release year of "Her Strut"
  1. ^ "...is of the serial killer Buffalo Bill making himself up..."
  2. ^ "...his character toys with his nipple ring...Catherine sobs in the nearby pit."
  3. ^ "...while his desperate captive attempts an escape..."
  4. ^ "Then he speaks. 'Would you fuck me?' he muses. 'I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me so hard.'"
  5. ^ "...dancing naked for a videocamera..."
  6. ^ "...as he tucks his penis between his legs so as to envision himself as a woman."
  7. ^ "...Bill's singalong overpowers the cries of his victim."

Reception

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  • The Under the Radar and Time Out pieces are not cited
  •   Added.
  • "the best uses of songs in movies." → "the best usages of songs in films."
  • "remarking that they become" → "remarking they become"
  • "backwards in self-admiration."" → "backwards in self-admiration"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "in other media."" → "in other media"."
  • "was "invariably associated with" the song." → "is "invariably associated" with the song."
  • "and called the scene" → "and labeled the scene"
  • "Vanity Fair's Tracy Moore wrote that the scene" → "Moore wrote that the scene"
  • "as Q "warbles" → "as Q Lazzarus "warbles"
  • "from what he is."" → "from what he is"."

Other appearances

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  • "Demme included "Goodbye Horses" on" → "Demme included the song on"
  • Only the parody is sourced, not the dancing
  • "It also appeared" → ""Goodbye Horses" also appeared"

Legacy

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  • Maybe this could be merged with the below section and retitle that to Releases and legacy?

Releases and cover versions

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  • Img looks good!
  • Add more info about the Fan Death and Harlem covers per WP:SONGCOVER; if not, remove them and wikilink Fan Death to itself if kept
  •   Removed Harlem cover based on lack of info, added more about Fan Death cover and added the wikilink.
  • The inclusion on The Hunter is not sourced
  • Added source for The Hunter. Is it okay? benǝʇᴉɯ 17:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Per WP:SONGCOVER, remove the Delta Mirror cover unless there is actual information and if kept, lowercase per MOS:THEMUSIC
  • "the single released by Mon Amie Records in 2013" → "the single, issued by Mon Amie Records in 2013,"
  • "in 2020 whose proceeds all went" → "in 2020, with proceeds all going"

References

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  • Wikilink Dazed on ref 1 instead on ref 2
  • Remove or replace ref 3 everywhere apart from reception per WP:RSP since it is owned by Bustle Media Group; remove the author too
  • Cite NPR as publisher instead on ref 5
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 6, 10, 11, 12, 15, 26 and 35
  • Ref 20 is acceptable since this is only for a review
  • Remove or replace ref 22 per WP:SELFPUB
  • WP:OVERLINK of IndieWire on refs 23 and 24
  • Cite Bloody Disgusting as publisher instead on ref 25
  • WP:OVERLINK of The Fader on ref 30 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
  • WP:OVERLINK of Stereogum on ref 31 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
  • Remove the author from ref 32
  • WP:OVERLINK of NME on ref 34

Final comments and verdict

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  •   On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 10:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • @Kyle Peake: I think I responded to everything. Had a few questions here and there. Let me know! benǝʇᴉɯ 17:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Benmite I have done some copy editing for you, however /Film is a blog, making it unreliable. --K. Peake 09:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • ✓ Pass now, took some time but this has been cleaned up! --K. Peake 06:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    Psyche covered this song in 1995, and re-recorded it in 2009. it was subsequently released in 2012 on the renowned UK label Optimo for which a video was created that now has 3 million streams on YouTube, significantly more than any other version that came later. I have documents on the releases and they are easily found on Discogs, CD and vinyl as well as our YouTube channel and through various reviews and mentions on websites through the last 30 years. Unfortunately this history of Psyche has been removed from Wikipedia by later administrators. This is very unfortunate and creates a lack of trust on accuracy in Wikipedia. Which is certainly the intention of no one. I, Darrin Campbell Huss, singer and composer of the band Psyche (band) would truly appreciate help from the Wikipedia community in reinstating our contribution to the continuation of popularity of this song, as well as acknowledgement that our version was the first cover version. https://www.discogs.com/release/318559-Psyche-You-Ran-Away-Good-Bye-HorsesSincerely, Darrin www.psyche-hq.de Ghostchild (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]Reply
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