Talk:Gohan/Archive 3

Special Attacks

I deleted Energy Shield from the special attacks list. I did so for three reasons. A) I don't think it counts as one of Gohan's "special attacks" because it's a defensive move used to save people, not attack. B) It's seen in filler only. And C) It's only seen once and is a kind of freak occurence. He is shown no control over this move. If we list this then we should list what he did to Raditz early on in the series Evil Saiyan Stomache Head-Butt Blast Attack.____MysticGohan 06:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you're right. I guess we should go ahead and delete all the Solar Flare attacks on other pages b/c they're just defensive. Let's get rid of Master Roshi's Bankoku Bikkuri Sho attack, he only uses that one once, right? Hey while we're at it, let's completely ignore the Garlic Junior saga altogether, b/c it's not like it was actual made by Akira Toriyama. I mean, it's not like it directly correlates to a movie (Dead Zone), unlike the other movies that exist in their own continuity. Oh wait, a second, IT DOES. And I'm surprised you don't seem to think that a perfectly formed sphere of energy that Gohan actually TALKS ABOUT ("If I drop the shield, blah blah blah") is something he has no control over. Do me a favor and use LOGIC next time you decide to be a dick.TomUsedToBeRob 16:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh thank Jesus you've shown me the light. A protective sphere of energy is obviously an attack, and i'm an illogical dick. I guess I just needed someone to clearly point it out. Thank you. Go ahead and give yourself a pat on the back champ, you've earned it. But if this paricular example of ki manipulation comes from a movie it ain't the dead zone. True he does make a blue ki blast that pushes garlic into the dead zone, but that's just an uncontrolled, and it is uncontrolled he doesn't even rember who saved them, blast. I'm glad you mentioned him talking about it, if it wasn't for that i'd still be some confused jackass. And for the record I was, and still am, just trying to help.____MysticGohan 08:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I have to play mommy. Check this out TomUsedToBeRob: DICK Also the section name should be "techniques", not "special attacks", therefore anything that he does that has to do with fighting has a liberty of being there. But anyway, On the subject, The list should be removed including the detailed descriptions of his transformations, it falls under WP:CRUFT. That's why we removed it from Goku's page. It's all cruft. --VorangorTheDemon 17:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Cruft indeed, well if you guys want to remove it let's do it up. :) thanks mommy!_____MysticGohan 18:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

After reading more, I see that the article's status would improve if we limited the cruft. What's Vorangor by the way? MajinVegeta I know, but Vorangor... not so much. BTW sorry if I pulled an egg earlier.____MysticGohan 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's just think logically here for a second. I wasn't joking or being stupid when I referenced both the Solar Flare and Bankoku Bikkuri Sho attacks. Neither one is an offensive attack yet they're referenced under special attacks/techniques under Tien, Krillin, Cell and Master Roshi's page. You can't police this page putting only what you want to, it needs to contain as much information as possible b/c that's what people come here looking for. Like it or not, defensive techniques are still relavent, regardless of how often they're used. In reference to your criticism of my Dead Zone reference, I was speaking of how the Garlic Junior saga completes the Dead Zone movie, not of how Gohan blast Garlic Junior with his energy in that movie (that's not the energy shield I was referring to). We need to be responsible with how we work pages with information like this. Just because you're doubtful of the relevance of a particularly piece of information doesn't mean you should dismiss it as erroneous. I agree with what was said earlier, let's add another section entitled techniques or something of the like to allow for the largest amount of information possible.TomUsedToBeRob 19:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I have yet to see any Mystic Gohan pictures posted yet. For that matter, I don't recall seeing any Great Saiyamen pictures or even adult Gohan pictures for that matter. We need to reflect Gohan's growth on this page with pictures.TomUsedToBeRob 19:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I think there's a simple comprimise here. I want to delete the information to emulate the Goku page (it's one or two levels higher on the scale), and you think we should keep it. We could easily list his "techniques" with little or no in depth descritpion, say taking out he does this and he moves his hands like this. Or I could go through and delete all the techiques from the Dragonball realm characters and put in one article. I'm for either. MysticGohan 19:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I like your idea of another page for techniques, but I don't like the idea of deleting all the techniques from character pages. People don't want to have to filter through stuff in order to find techniques. If they're character specific/used a lot by the same character, they should stay on the character page. But you are still right about having a whole technique page.TomUsedToBeRob 21:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I feel that the Solar Flare/Taiyo-ken is a special technique. Not a special attack, just a special, defensive technique. Maybe that should be listed under, I dunno, "List of Dragon Ball defensive techniques"! Namekian Lord (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Dragonball Special Techniques

Well in any case I started a page called Dragonball Special Techniques (I say "started" but it's a sentence long, and not a particularly good sentence at that) anywho I think we should make this page with the in depth crap and then put a link to it when we finish. I don't know anything about doing a new page and the name is up for debate, so it's more of "help wanted" deal right now. MysticGohan 20:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm already thinking List of Dragonball Special Techniques makes more sense. MysticGohan 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up

I'm trying to clean up the page to make it read smoother. Just minor edits overall. Any ideas on things you want to tidy up a bit? I think we have enough information right now but there are ways to make it read better if that makes sense?

I've added all the transformations under the Powers and Transformations headline. I mean, what's the point of having that headline if you don't list all the transformations right?

I was looking at the Android Saga and noticed that Cell Juniors was in parenthesis. I took it out and made it link but oddly enough it doesn't link anywhere. Does anyone know how to link the words Cell Juniors to the Cell page? Also, I added an external link to a youtube fight with the Cell Juniors to show just how powerful they are. Suggest adding a link to one of the many Gohan transformation into SSJ2 videos on youtube?

Anyways if anyone can help out, I'd appreciate it.TomUsedToBeRob 21:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

If anyone's interested go to Dragonball Special Techniques!!!MysticGohan 04:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys. I like the way you are working and cleaning up the article but something bugs me and that is the history part of Gohan's page. It is read more like it is part of this personality and not history. History is in detail but not like it was. You know three to five paragraph, about what Gohan did. You got a lot more than just his childhood to work with. You got his teenage years, the little info on his adult life, and who he married, who he fathered ( who his child is), his decendent line (do it is not much) but history can be way better. but other than that good job on fixing it. It will never be Goku but is will be a good article with more work.Heat P 07:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up? Most of the information has been butchered. There is little or no character history. This is the same with many DBZ articles, there is either too little information or the info is worthless and boring. I dont see why every time you wiki-people see something you dont agree with you have to delete it. This article sucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.197.68 (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"Worthless and Boring" apparently is the only componet that judges the quality of an article, stated by you. Being exciting to read does not make it a good article in Wikipedia terms. It's an encyclopedic article that is centered around a fictional character, therefore the article is supposed to be focused on the character's development in the series as looking at it from a real life point of view, as opposed to Adolph Hitler, who is permitted a bio simply because he was a real person. Gohan is not real, therefore the article needs to focus on Toriyama's direction with the character as the series progressed rather then reporting the actions of the character in the series. Otherwise, it's simply a retelling of the story, but with the character in question as the focus in the article. Another famous characters in literature where their article was modified to permit Wikipedia standards can be seen here and here. Simply reporting the story of the character would make the series and saga articles meaningless. Reporting on the character's actions in the series is what the Dragon Ball wiki is for, not here. --VorangorTheDemon 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Power and Transformations

Hi everyone. A little while ago I changed the "Power and Transformations" section to a "Special Techniques" section that describes each of his moves seperatly. I did this because I felt it was more structured and informative. Any reason why it was deleted? --(unsigned)

I'd first like to say thank you for your contributions. Now to answer your question: I deleted it because we had it there a while ago, but we all decided that it fell under the Wikipedia essay that we call "cruft". It's also considered "trivial information", which is something that Wikipedia looks down on in terms of good and useful information. You're welcome to make an argument to why you think that it should stay; however, I am all up for a paragraph stating general information of Gohan's techniques. There's one on the Goku article, and it's not actually that bad. A paragraph listing off general information is less crufty and trivial then an actual list followed by detailed info on the attack. --VorangorTheDemon 11:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense. It clears up for me the changes that have been made on Dragon Ball articles recently. Glad to know what approach Wikipedia's trying to take. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero 004 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, just keep in mind that Wikipedia is more strict and resposible then a fan site. You need to consider what's important and what isn't. I usually simply read the articles and for the moment, pretend I know jack squat about the subjects in the articles. It usually works out fine, and it helps me write better quality articles because I then know what it's like looking at the article as if I was someone who knows nothing about the subject. Also adding info about the author's creation and development of the character or attack is a must for a good article. The only issue with those for Dragon Ball is that interviews with Toriyama are usually long forgotten, therefore information can't be sourced and constitutes as Original Research.--VorangorTheDemon 12:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

After Mystic Gohan is shown in the series is there ever a point onward where Gohan goes Super Saiyan? Please ,just to get some backup, answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.73.212 (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Plot details

When and why was a huge portion of this article (mostly about the plot) removed? I don't necessarily object to its removal; I was just wondering. Paul Haymon 05:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason being that the plot is simply a retelling of the story, just with Gohan as the primary focus. It's crufty and makes the article painfully long. Most character articles have undergone this "transformation" However, I wouldn't mind at least a general sum-up of their roles in the series, the articles seem vacant and boring without them. --VorangorTheDemon 11:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I figured it had to do with cruft. I also agree that a bit should remain about the characters' involvement in the plot. Maybe a short paragraph or two. Paul Haymon 21:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29#List_of_exemplary_articles

Basically, the article shouldn't rehash the plot from the character's persepctive (none of those articles has such a thing). However, ::a bit isn't bad to include. An edit was recently reverted regarding this issue, so just bringing it up again. -- The Magistratus (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"Relatives"

The relatives section gives off the impression that Piccolo is biologically related to Gohan, and "Big Green Uncle" sounds absurd, I assume it's a minor act of vandalism. Also he is not related to Future Gohan in any sense since he doesn't exist in Gohan's timeline and shouldn't be considered to be put on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.77.95 (talk) 07:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Pictures 2

I like the Super Sayain 2 Gohan picture. But does anyone know how to get a Mystic Gohan picture on here?--The K.O. King 21:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Age

What is Gohan's correct age at the time he enrolls in Orange Star high school? It originally said he was 16 but someone recently changed the article claiming he was 18. It doesn't seem right for an 18 year old to be JUST enrolling. Was this edit wrong? --Xander756 (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, looks like I got an answer earlier in this page. --Xander756 (talk) 22:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

lol yeah read first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.114.144 (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Good work

I don't know what happened since I've seen this page last, but it looks much better. Keep up the good work, everyone. Paul Haymon (talk) 23:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree! The article is looking great with accurate descriptions, great pictures to show the character's history, and a good balance of story and concept. I hope the current format is preserved because I think it's spectacular! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero 004 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Things yet to work on.

• The opening paragraph needs to be expanded as per Wikipedia guidelines. See: Yamucha or Sasuke Uchiha.
• Plot overview needs to be cut down to three paragraphs. See: Dragon Ball work page.
• Possibly more pictures, if the text is getting extensive.
• If anyone can find anything more on character conception information, the more the better.
• Go back and insert page numbers in manga references.

The Benefactor (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Why are we adding power level to character information?

It's only a blurb from a specific portion of the story, one that doesn't necessarily reflect his maximum power at the time, anyway, and wasn't even featured in a majority of the story. It seems pointless. If there's an explanation, give it, otherwise why is it there? It doesn't seem very relevant. The Benefactor (talk) 14:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it can be useful. This power level came from the Daizenshu #7, and anyway, it doesn't cause any harm to anyone. So, leave it. Son Gohan (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

How is it useful, though? It just seems like a random blurb from the series. Why is this power level at such-and-such time useful? Honestly, unless there's an entire power level chart, which I don't recommend creating, it just seems unnecessary. The Benefactor (talk) 03:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you recommend creating an entire power level chart? You got something against power levels? Son Gohan (talk) 17:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree

so, it kinda gives the impression Pan had a child by herself. Should we make a box with "?" and link the line between that and Pan, or leave it be? I don't really even know how to edit that thing anyways, so if we decide to change it please do it for me. --70.244.112.245 (talk) 00:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Future Gohan

It states that it is "implied" that the Gohan in Trunks's timeline lost his arm in a fight with Androids 17 & 18. I don't see how they could make this any clearer, one minute he's fighting with the androids and they decide to blast the whole area, the next we see a sad looking, one armed Gohan. This is all in the T.V. special "The Future of Trunks". If no one says anything i'm going to change this.Adroa (talk) 01:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

this is all i have to say >_> The Last Uchiha 02:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The television special is not the only version -- look at the manga version. See the Dragon Talk page. The Benefactor (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Then that should be mentioned.Adroa (talk) 00:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

True strength

So is he the strongest character out of all the Z Fighters ? I always thought Goku was still the strongest but I heard Gohan surprassed him . What do you think ? (Andyfth (talk) 12:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Gohan did become the strongest character out of all the Z Fighters after he recieved his mystic power-up from Rou Dai Kaioshin, and pummeled Super Boo effortlessly. He was indeed, the strongest unfused character in Dragon Ball Z, possessing a tremendous power that surpassed even Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks (even Goten & Trunks said so). Goku probably surpassed him at the end of Dragon Ball Z, because Gohan seemed to have lost his Mystic powers, but that's something we'll never know...and I'm not bringing GT into this. Son Gohan (talk) 18:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

robot chicken

Gohan isn't parodied Goten is it even said so —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxas255 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Gohan in Dragon Ball GT

why isn't Dragon Ball Gt mentioned in on his page? Ollice —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ollice (talk • contribs) 10:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Voice Actors?

I came to this article looking for information on his voice actors...only to see it's non-existent. The "See Voice Actors" link doesn't seem to go anywhere. -Sukecchi (talk) 13:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It was removed in this edit, but I don't see the discussion about removing the VAs from the article. Anyways, VAs should always be listed, either in the infobox or in a section of the article. Since there was no such section, I've restored the VA listing in the infobox. --Farix (Talk) 15:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)