Talk:Galeb-class minelayer/Archive 1
Latest comment: 7 years ago by Peacemaker67 in topic Some discrepancies
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Some discrepancies
According to Groener, there are some other details and/or discrepancies in the article:
- M97/Orao/Vergada/Pionir/Zelengora received the last name in 1955 and served until she was stricken in 1962
- M100/Galeb/Selve was broken up for scrap in 1948
- M106/Gavran/Labud/Oriole - also served under the name Zuri from 29 May 1941 to 1 June 1942 - the Italian crew scuttled the ship after an air attack
- M112/Jastreb/Zirona - Groener gives the name Irona for her Italian service, which doesn't seem to be correct, but it's attested to elsewhere (for example, here]), so it might want to be included in a note. Also, the ship was scuttled on 18 Nov. 1942, a year after grounding. Raised and scrapped in 1948.
- Are we sure on M114? According to Groener, this vessel was sold incomplete on 29 June 1919 for conversion into a merchant ship Leopold David, and sank after a gasoline explosion on 9 Jan 1922. Groener states that Sokol was M144.
- Which vessel are the figures in the article for? According to Groener, displacement, length, beam, and draft all varied. Parsecboy (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- I picked up some additional sources on this class the other day, it is a bit of a work in progress right now, I am interested in more detail from Groener, as I don't think I have access to it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- Conways -1921 pp. 186-187 (which I copied the other day) calls the ships that became the Galeb class "M57 class", and gives a design displacement for M 97 onwards of 525t (564t deep load), but standard dimensions for all ships of the M57 class regardless of the builder. It also says Sokol was M114 (as does the 1922- version of Conways), although the former is silent on the fate of M144 for some reason. Looks like there may be a number of notes needed to show differences between sources. I'm going to start work on improving this article in the next few days, I think I'll use Conways as the main source and show variations using notes, unless you think Groener is superior. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- Generally, I'd say Groener is more trustworthy on things like this. He wrote the initial edition of German Warships 1815-1945 when the title was instead German Warships 1815-1936, which is to say that he was writing at the time, and with access to sources that were destroyed or lost in the war. I can't find anything in other sources about Leopold David, but there is a wrecksite page on the ship, and it does agree that it was the ex-M114.
- Send me an email and I'll send you scans of the relevant pages. The full citation can be found on Nautilus-class minelayer. Parsecboy (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- I've gone with Groener. Thanks for your help! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Conways -1921 pp. 186-187 (which I copied the other day) calls the ships that became the Galeb class "M57 class", and gives a design displacement for M 97 onwards of 525t (564t deep load), but standard dimensions for all ships of the M57 class regardless of the builder. It also says Sokol was M114 (as does the 1922- version of Conways), although the former is silent on the fate of M144 for some reason. Looks like there may be a number of notes needed to show differences between sources. I'm going to start work on improving this article in the next few days, I think I'll use Conways as the main source and show variations using notes, unless you think Groener is superior. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)