Talk:Fulvic acid

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Disputing use of term in other article

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

A source supporting that fulvic acids contribute to pedosphere is needed to retain mention of fulvic acid in that article. -- Paleorthid (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2019 (UTC). corrected from 17:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Disambiguation needed

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

There are two disparate materials covered under the term fulvic acid. They differ in chemical make-up, and use. The product form is in a bottle on store shelves. The product form gets used in research as a soil amendment. The natural form is more of an intellectual construct, tied to an evolving understanding of soil.

Fulvic acid (The product, only exists in lab) – (The more common use of the term). Industrial chemical. Use in article: ...This is the only method that the California departments of agriculture will accept when registering a product.
Fulvic acid in soil (only exists in nature) – (Most of this article content. Content needs to be moved to new article). Use in article: ...one of two classes of natural acidic organic polymers that can be extracted...

The problem with this article is not in isolation. Attempts to redefine 'humic substances' in valid terms have resulted in a proliferation of incompatible definitions, "with far-reaching implications beyond our ability to communicate scientifically accurate soil processes and properties."^[1] Without disambiguation, the reader is left with the very false impression that the two materials—natural-class <> industrial-product—are chemically identical. Refer to Wikipedia:Article titles#Disambiguation and WP:D. -- Paleorthid (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Update The alternative to my suggestion—creating a second article—is to instead distinguish between the two in the article. That is what I have started to do in the humic substances article. -- Paleorthid (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

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^ Lehmann, J.; Kleber, M. (2015-12-03). "The contentious nature of soil organic matter". Nature. 528 (7580): 60–8. Bibcode:2015Natur.528...60L. doi:10.1038/nature16069. PMID 26595271. The issue has also been approached by redefining 'humic substances' as the portion of soil organic matter that cannot be molecularly characterized or by calling all soil organic matter 'humus'. We argue that this compromise - maintaining terminology but altering its meanings in varying ways — hampers scientific progress beyond the soil sciences.The [need for accurate models] of soil organic matter does not allow a confusing middle path; it requires leaving the traditional view behind to bring about lasting innovation and progress. This is critical as scientific fields outside the soil sciences base their research on the false premise of the existence of 'humic substances'. Thus an issue of terminology becomes a problem of false inference, with far-reaching implications beyond our ability to communicate scientifically accurate soil processes and properties.

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[1] Lehmann, J.; Kleber, M. (2015-12-03). "The contentious nature of soil organic matter". Nature. 528 (7580): 60–8. Bibcode:2015Natur.528...60L. doi:10.1038/nature16069. PMID 26595271. The issue has also been approached by redefining 'humic substances' as the portion of soil organic matter that cannot be molecularly characterized or by calling all soil organic matter 'humus'. We argue that this compromise - maintaining terminology but altering its meanings in varying ways — hampers scientific progress beyond the soil sciences.The [need for accurate models] of soil organic matter does not allow a confusing middle path; it requires leaving the traditional view behind to bring about lasting innovation and progress. This is critical as scientific fields outside the soil sciences base their research on the false premise of the existence of 'humic substances'. Thus an issue of terminology becomes a problem of false inference, with far-reaching implications beyond our ability to communicate scientifically accurate soil processes and properties.

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