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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 03:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Hi there, I'll review this. FunkMonk (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
• "French mariners' name for the bird La Frégate" I don't think "la" should be capitalised here, it is just a gender article.

I agree - and have changed to all lowercase: la frégate. Aa77zz (talk) 08:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• While looking at the French article[1], it struck me that it does not link to the English one. Appears that some Wikipedias use Fregata as the title name, and those articles link to each other, while others link between the family name. Both, however, cover the genus and family in the same article, so it appears the division is misleading. But these two groups do not link between them. Seems this can only be fixed on Wikidata somehow, as both Fregata and fregatidae have a Wikidata entry, which should probably be merged. Not a GA criterion, of course, but probably good if this was sorted out.

tweaked it in wikidata - had to remove it from fregata and link to french fregatidae. I think it is worth an overhaul...and have posted a question over there. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Why was the name Tachypetidae discarded? I think a higher level taxon article like this can permit itself to go into nitty gritty taxonomic details.

as the genus Fregata had been the legitimate name since before 1961 under the code. added. relevant part of code is here. hope it is clear. Question is, whether to move it up to discuss after the genera naming... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• I would almost expect Etymology to be a subsection under taxonomy, as it does go into some taxonomic history. But I guess it is separate because it is also about common names? Though the common name seems to have directly influenced the genus name.

yeah, I have done this in other articles - converted to level 3 header within taxonomy Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• The info about taxonomic names (family, old genus, reassignment to new genus) is now scattered across three subsections, which seems a bit unfocused? Perhaps it would be better to cover all this in the same section, consecutively, to make it easier to grasp for layreaders?

Have majorly rejigged it...but tricky as to put it all strictly chronological means jumping a bit from genus to family and order-level. Might need a bit of fine-tuning.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps a photo of Limnofregata under fossils?

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Here's Albin's drawing mentioned in the article, perhaps interesting?[2]

I've uploaded Albin's plate to Commons File:Frigatebird_Eleazar_Albin_1737.jpg. I haven't added it as I'm not yet convinced it would enhance the article. Aa77zz (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

That's a tricky one - pretty ordinary drawing and we've got alot of images that I think would add more value to the article. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• "totipalmate feet" Explain.

linked to Bird_feet_and_legs#Webbing_and_lobation, which has a picture Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• No cladogram for relationships with other groups of birds?

I agree that such a cladogram seems desirable but I have difficulty knowing what to believe - or what is the current consensus among ornithologists. If I compare Kennedy et al. 2004 (cited in the article) with the major article on the phylogeny of birds published in Science by Hackett et al 2008 here I find that there are differences. Fig 2 in Kennedy has Morus (Gannets) as sister to Anhinga (Darters) with Phalacrocorax (Cormorants) more distantly related but Fig 2 in Hackett has Anhinga as sister to Phalacrocorax. Aa77zz (talk) 13:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I was about to write the same thing - if we stick to what is absolutely agreed on it'd be maybe too simple..(i.e. it'd be a 'Y' shape with fregatidae and Suloidea only). Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• "Three species have been described: two from the Green River Formation" These species deserve to be named here too, no?

named and added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• Articles about individual species mention valid subspecies. They probably shouldn't be listed here, but I guess it warrants a mention that there are recognised subspecies?

Have added that there are 5 and 3 subspp. I don't think they're very distinctive though. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• Why two similar images under Description, even of the same species? Wouldn't it be more relevant to show some part of their anatomy, like feet or similar? If the lower (very fuzzy) image is supposed to show the distinctive bifurcation of the tail, I think there would be better options.

yeah, removed one - added one of colony> Nothing else is jumping out as something really good to add. Will have another look later Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Only some of the entries under Living species of frigatebirds mention conservation status.

All five are covered in the Populations and threats section. It strikes me as repetitive to cover all twice. Alternately I could take the two ones mentioned out of that species list.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

May seem pedantic, but I think it could be removed from the list... FunkMonk (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

makes sense not to reduplicate - removed conservation descriptors from species list Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• The German article uses interesting images (breeding grounds, juveniles, etc.), and has some more content, which is not found here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fregattv%C3%B6gel

looking at it - has few inline refs, annoyingly. Am looking at some bits and pieces to add. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Fixes look good, more to comer as I read through the rest. FunkMonk (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
• Why do birds regurgitate by being harassed?

hmmm, I've always just known that. Not ever assumed it wasn't logical. Umm, I don't recall seeing this explained as such anywhere.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• "The Atlantic populations of the great and lesser frigatebirds are unknown and possibly extinct." A bit confusing, was there ever known to be a population there?

Sorry, meant "current status" - added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• "local disasters that could have a wipe out the rare species" Seems malformed?

oops, fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps interesting to have a photo of Tangata manu[3] under culture?

nice find...I'll take one of those... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• The intro seems a little short, and conservation/culture are not summarised there.

added a bit - tricky to know which bits to add. I might hunt around for some more cultural material, which might help Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• That's it from me, looks good now, so I'll pass. Made a comment over at Wikidata, seems a commenter didn't understand the problem. FunkMonk (talk) 10:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Cool/thanks! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for spending your time looking at the article. Aa77zz (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)