Talk:Frankenstorm

This seems like it should be merged with the original Sandy article.

I agree and I'm adding a merge tag; this can easily be accommodated in the Sandy article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree. Speedy merge to Hurricane Sandy, since the term isn't notable outside that hurricane, and there are probably many readers using "Frankenstorm" and ending up here, having to click through to the actual article (which may be a little confusing for some users.) It'd be good to get those people looking for storm information to the right page more easily. If another "Frankenstorm" develops or the term is otherwise used, the article can be spun back off. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 03:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree. Speedy merge. PRRfan (talk) 04:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I boldly redirected it; even though WP:NOTNEWS may apply, this *is* news, and there *are* users going to the article for hurricane information. This is almost certainly a super-high-traffic article, so it seemed reasonable. Feel free to revert if there is any disagreement on this, and continue discussion. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 04:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I've merged the content, in that case, into its own section. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

At least for now, the discussion should continue at Talk:Hurricane_Sandy#.22Frankenstorm.22, I imagine. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed to a soft redirect

The term Frankenstorm was used by researchers to name a fictional combination of two actual storms as part of a disaster-preparedness exercise in 2010. See [1] for details.

As that use didn't warrant a Wikipedia article, a disambiguation page seemed inappropriate, so I went with the soft-redirect. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

user:Davidwr, why would a disambig page be inappropriate? A soft redirect still requires an extra click; in which case, why not format this page as a dab page..? The 2010 preparedness workshop looks like it is notable, but may be quite hard to source properly beyond the news snippets which dont give a lot of detail. Is there an article on U.S. storm preparedness, to which this interesting piece of history might be added? Another option would be to redirect this term to super storm. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This should probably be discussed and/or advertised at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation to get a broader consensus. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather#Frankenstorm. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 09:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I would be against anything but a regular redirect. The article mentioned by davidwr does not say that the systems combined; it says something along the lines of "while the first system stalled near Southern California, a second system moved into northern California". Also, there is nothing that I have seen to support it being a nickname for a super storm (which is a nickname itself) or a perfect storm (which is really another nickname). United States Man (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Agreed with United States Man. I have never heard of the term "Frankenstorm" used in any context other than Hurricane Sandy and this hypothetical scenario in California, and we do not have an article for the latter, nor should we. Unless you can find examples of it being used to refer to a "Super Storm" or "Perfect Storm," in general then I see no reason why this shouldn't by a simple redirect to Hurricane Sandy. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a bit complex because two of the terms on the page are NOT directly related to the term "Frankenstorm." In a normal DAB page they would be in a "See also" section. However, having just a redirect is also unacceptable because the term was used prior to Hurricane Sandy. While not perfect, both the current situation, with a "not exactly kosher" disambiguation page, and the previous "Softredirect" which I set up last year, are better than a redirect to Hurricane Sandy. A redirect to Hurricane Sandy may be the "most wiki" of the possibilities, but without extensive hatnotes at the top of Hurricane Sandy it would erroneously imply that "Frankenstorm = Hurricane Sandy" which is not the case. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, on Wikipedia, "Frankenstorm ≠ anything other than Sandy", so there is nothing else to put in a dab page. Super storm and perfect storm do NOT equal Frankenstorm, unless a reliable source is provided (and good luck with that). United States Man (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Has any more though been put into this? If not I would like to go ahead with putting this back as a hard redirect. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)