Talk:Fouls and misconduct (association football)

June 2006

What about accidental handling of the ball? E.g. if I block a shot on goal with my forearm that likely would have gone in the goal otherwise but it appears that I did this accidentally, is that not a foul or some sort of infraction? Funkyj 20:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it is only a foul to intentionally handle the ball. --Daveb 13:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

but

but if the ball hits your harm and it would of gone in... tey give penalty 90.201.195.212 18:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

'bringing food onto the pitch' looks like vandalism to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.66.242 (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Misconduct and fouls are not the same thing, and they need to be distinguished. Calling misconduct a foul would be wrong. Fouls involve contact of some sort, must happen while the ball is in play and on the field, and happens on the field. Anything off of the field or happening after play is stopped (or before the game) is misconduct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.108.66 (talk) 03:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion

I think, we should merge Foul (association football) and Misconduct (association football). These two articles say about football rule № 12. Dinamik (talk) 14:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Support - The two pages only talk about rule twleve and a Foul is a form of Misconduct.--Lucy-marie (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Support - I fully agree, both pages are referred to in the same place on wiki. On FIFA's page, it mentions Foul and Misconduct, but seperate links. Should be no reason why not. "The day you stop looking, is the day you start finding..." (talk) 13:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This has been proposed for two and a half years but nothing has happened. Either follow through or abandon it. Unreal7 (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Handball with ball going in goal

I've always wondered, if the ball is heading for the goal and the player deliberately handballs it, would it be a penalty or count as a goal? Can somebody answer this for me? BoredomJS (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean a defender handles the ball, deliberately preventing it from crossing the line? In that case it would be a penalty, and the defender would be red-carded for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity". This happened in the quarter-finals of the 2010 FIFA World Cup, where a Uruguayan defender stopped what would have been a match-winning goal from Ghana from crossing the line with his hands. He was red-carded, but Ghana missed the penalty and eventually lost the game. Association football has no concept of a "penalty goal" like the "Penalty try" in rugby.

I think this information could be incorporated into the article... --LukeSurl ^{t c} 14:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Clarification: Passage in Yellow Card Section

So this is the passage from the article in question, which does not appear to have a source:

...although some tackles, especially those which are dangerous, two-footed, or those which prevent a clear goal-scoring opportunity for the player tackled, may be punished by a red card.

While dangerous tackles seems clear, it seems self-evident that preventing goal scoring opportunities would be something that a defending team would try to accomplish? I am guessing this is supposed to be interpreted as a last-resort AND dangerous tackle which was the only option to prevent a goal scoring opportunity?Myopia123 (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

It is referring to the offence of "Denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity" (often abbreviated DOGSO), which is association football's version of a Professional foul. If a tackle is considered a foul, and it meets the specific criteria for DOGSO, then it should be punished with a red card regardless of whether it was dangerous. I will add a wikilink to Professional foul here and try and improve clarity. --16:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. So just to make sure I'm understanding this 100%, if a tackle is NOT a foul but it denies a goal scoring opportunity, then it is ok?Myopia123 (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

And by not a foul I mean, if a defender steals the ball from an attacker with a properly executed and timed sliding tackle, for example?Myopia123 (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that would be OK. A "DOGSO" offence has to be a foul. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup

Did some cleanup on this page:

• Added a new reference to the latest LOTG, adding citations throughout. As of Feb 2016, this link is appropriate for the LOTG: http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/02/36/01/11/lawsofthegameweben_neutral.pdf; but I don't know how to edit the references. Sorry.
• Changed all instances of "unsportsmanlike conduct" to "unsporting behaviour" as that is the term used in LOTG
• Changed the sentence referring to persistent infringement as unsporting conduct, as persistent infringement is its own cautionable offence
• Removed most of the sentence about 2nd caution send-offs as that information is duplicated in the actual section on red cards and is more appropriate there
• Removed most editorializing from lists of offences in favor of directly quoting from the LOTG (this both removes potential confusion that the language may be officially part of the Laws and allows us to more fully develop those topics in the text)
• Removed the bit describing delaying restarting play as unsporting behaviour, as it is a separate offence, and replaced it with a different USB example
• Changed the language later in that paragraph to use the terminology from the Laws
• Clarified the section about team officials

In general the goal was to reduce potential confusion by keeping terminology as close to that in the LOTG as possible and removing paraphrase, hopefully it makes the discussion a little clearer FilthMasterFlex (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

"Goalscoring"

I'm reverting the edit that hyphenated the term goalscoring. I believe the term to be fairly well-attested-to by its usage in newspapers, etc. (1 2), and while the hyphenated term "goal-scoring" may be equally well-attested and no less correct in the general case, in this specific instance "goalscoring" is the spelling used in the Laws of the Game. I believe, for the sake of clarity, that sticking as closely as possible to the original wording ought to be considered a general principle for this page; as such, unless there is a compelling reason to deviate, we should maintain spellings used in LOTG. FilthMasterFlex (talk) 19:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

In the dictionary that I have and use, there is no one-word form of “goal-scoring”.—BDE1982 (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

The Laws of the Game as published by FIFA do use the term "goalscoring" (for example see pg 39. One word, no hyphen). However I don't think its a big deal either way. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 11:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Wiktionary has it as a one-word variant. As such, I removed the hyphens.—BDE1982 (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

LOTG link

The current 2014 Laws of the Game link is dead, the link to the newest edition is [1]. I'll change this in the next few days if it isn't done beforehand. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 09:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

"Denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity".

New laws given from June 1st, 2016, mitigate such fouls or misconducts. Defenders (incl. goalkeepers) were cautioned with a red card, a penalty kick was given - a suspension for one match followed. Now it is said: If the foul happenes barely in a tackling (foul is not heavy) the Referee should caution it with a yellow card and decide a penalty kick. - Interestingly enough, similary fouls or misconducts are to be cautioned with red cards when the occurs outside of the penalty area. There is no so-called "three-times-punishment" but only a direct free kick. --213.225.0.173 (talk) 17:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC).

First Red Cards in FIFA WORLD CUP

In 1974 FIFA World Cup, there were shown Red Cards at first, and Mr. Carlos Caszely (Chile) was absolutely the first player to be sent off after a Red Card in a FIFA World Cup match (June 14th; match vs. West Germany). He was followed by Julio Montero Castillo (Uruguay), Ndaye Mulumba (Zaire), Ray Richards (Australia) and Luís Pereira (Brazil). --213.225.1.227 (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2016 (UTC).

There is an article about this: List of FIFA World Cup red cards. Note that players have been "sent off" for decades prior to the introduction of the physical cards. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 12:23, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

No cards against Team Officials

For several years, Referees had to punish Team Officials with cards, but for 9 years (ore some more) the rules have changed again which means that Team Officials can be punished for unfair behavior only by sending them off. But there is one exception – if medical care is necessary the concerning person is allowed to come back for this matter. 213.225.10.13 (talk) 09:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

• It's in Law 12: "Only a player, substitute or substituted player may be shown the red or yellow card."[2]. It would be in the referee's powers to have other persons ejected from the playing area and its surrounds, but this is not in the scope of this article. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 10:44, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Person who evaluate the referee

Hello. How do we call the person who evaluate the referee of a game? Do we have an article of him or a section to an article? Xaris333 (talk) 00:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

That's not really a defined position. It would generally fall to the competition organisers to make sure the referees they employ are competent. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 11:23, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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Grammar

"Unsporting behaviour (foul play, simulation, and denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick are included)". This needs fixing somehow; it's not grammatical. Equinox ◑ 08:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

There is a paragraph below the list describing "unsporting behaviour", so I've changed the list entry to a brief summary and directed the reader's attention to that paragraph. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 09:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)