Talk:Far Eastern University/Archive 2

Recent changes

There has been a recent spat of edits by some zealous contributors. While we can all appreciate the desire to improve the article, most of the work done is simply to restore old, deleted, problematic content that has been the subject of some dispute in the past. Until clearer consensus forms here, I am constrained to keep reverting. Rmcsamson (talk) 07:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Concurred. It is sad that they spend so much time re-inserting the same flagrant copyright-infringing content rather than actually trying to write viable content. WP:RBI, if it becomes more frequent and/or multiple editors, can see if there are some underlying IPs maybe at this school itself and/or protect the article. DMacks (talk) 07:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation, conflict of interest, false references, you name it

This article needs careful supervision, perhaps protection. I removed a "reference" intended to support the school's reputation that was to a short children's fictional book ("<ref>Miller, E: ''The Sun'', page 23. Academic Press, 2005.</ref>").

Then, on closer examination, the article itself is largely cut-and-paste from [1].

Later note. The web page mentioned now has been blanked of the material. Piano non troppo (talk) 08:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

And if that was fixed, then there's the promotional and unencyclopedic language to deal with, such as, "has produced graduates who where manning, if not heading, the pioneering companies and corporations in the country".

Page may need at least partial protection.

Piano non troppo (talk) 06:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I did full-prot (semi would not affect one of the disruptive editors). DMacks (talk) 06:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It turns out that the same group of users/same user has created a temporary subpage. Unfortunately, none of the concerns raised have been addressed. Rmcsamson (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I contemplated a couple times writing a few paragraphs to get the article out of copyright violation status, and back into circulation, but my guess is that the article would soon be modified by the same people who are being disruptive, now. I'm concerned that some of the interference is from official channels or pro-university editors, while other interference is aimless or anti-university vandalism. This makes rational discussion about what to include in the article difficult.

It's common in Wikipedia for universities to inflate their importance, but there's a concern in this situation that the importance of Far Eastern University is being hugely exaggerated. On this website, at least, it's rated 4,285 worldwide. [2] I just phoned a couple educators, and they felt placing many types of universities in the same rating system was "comparing apples and oranges". So maybe the site isn't valid. On the other hand, like me, they had never heard of "Far Eastern University". We need to seek some objectivity, here. Piano non troppo (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Far_Eastern_University, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. 120.28.82.197 (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC) (unintentional vandalism/test) I really don't see NOW why rsamsonwants to use the previous version. The version we created now is much more ACCURATE and the SOURCES were cited properly

The problems with your reinstated edits have discussed on this page, and has been explained to you or previous users of the same series of IP addresses, as well as Unending247 already. And for the record, this is the explanation you were given, which you simply chose to remove from your talk page -- "Your recent edits to the Far Eastern University article have included edits which rely on a 1955 source that cannot substantiate claims that require citations for dates later than 1955, as well as a children's book which cannot possibly substantiate any of the claims made in the article that ask for appropriate citations. You have also included the addition of material and content not compliant with WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. Further, it has been pointed out that the material you are adding is not compliant with WP:COPYVIO, which is Wikipedia's policy on copyrighted material. Instead of insisting on your edits, I suggest you make the appropriate changes. Please review these particular Wikipedia guidelines instead of simply insisting on edits that not only violate the aforementioned policies but also do not conform to consensus prior to your edits. Insistence on your edits without addressing the concerns raised may no longer fall within the category of good faith edits but may very well constitute vandalism. It is recommended that you consult other similar articles for ideas on how to compose articles compliant with WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. Also, using headers like "Marking the difference" and so on are not compliant with WP:NPOV and WP:NOT. Boosterism and weasel words are likewise not acceptable. Again, other articles may serve as proper models. I will keep reverting until all of these concerns are adequately addressed. Further, stop vandalizing my talk page. I will revert these as well. "

That explanation, and the discussions here, are sufficient. You were given an opportunity to address these concerns when the page was protected. You did not, and now that the page protection has expired, you have simply reinstated the same problematic edits. Again, I am constrained to keep reverting until the concerns raised here are addressed. Rmcsamson (talk) 07:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I've again protected the article and reinstated the notice. Editors have used up my good faith. They are clearly not trying to resolve the problem. I also deleted the /temp article because it was just a clone with all of the same problems...that is not a viable way to start. Rmcsamson, if you'd like to write a new stub or few paragraphs in that space, I can move that into the main article and keep protected if that's what it takes to avoid the other editors' poor behavior. DMacks (talk) 15:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I was going through one of the new sources that they cited, and was actually editing the article to restore those parts which they edited that are otherwise compatible with Wikipedia's policies, in what I figured was the best compromise for the time being, and clicked the submit button only to find the page already protected. I don't know if I can somehow recover the edits. I can probably place the revision in the /Temp space until there's community consensus. Rmcsamson (talk) 15:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

If you page-back in your history to the edit you were making (whose save was blocked), it might still be in the edit-box. DMacks (talk) 15:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've put together a new temp page. It retains most of the page as it was before the anons started working on it, but I've gone over one of the PDF files they're using as a source and tried to incorporate that and other edits which are not incompatible with Wikipedia's policies. Maybe we can start from there. Rmcsamson (talk) 16:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but I'm afraid that for license compliance, the new article cannot incorporate phrases and sentences that were placed in the original article by other contributors unless credit is given as set out at the copyright policy. If I could merge it with versions that retained that text, this wouldn't be an issue, but this article has been a copyright problem for a loooong time. I've found material duplicated from archived versions of the official website going back to 2005 (and, obviously, you've been trying to keep this article under control for almost that long. Thanks! :)) I've created a version free of copyright concerns, but I suspect we'll have to watch it to ensure it remains so. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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This is an ongoing problem. Content cannot be copied onto Wikipedia from [3] or [4]. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:06, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

More content has been copied from [5] and subpages. The article has been reverted back to the last point presumed to be clean. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I have again removed huge passages that were taken from the school's own website. Will revert and protect article if it happens again. DMacks (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

And despite warning the involved editors--this time it was

• 112.206.170.71 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Deantamaraw (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Moraytaemeritus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

all new accounts--the problem continued without discussion. I have therefore full-protected the page back at its uninfringing previous form. DMacks (talk) 15:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Lifeline700 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has resumed the pasting of copyrighted marketing from the university's website. Gurt Posh (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect link to this entry

The link to Far Eastern University incorrectly appears in the tables of Thai Universities as a private university based in Chiang Mai 58.111.77.125 (talk) 04:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging Far Eastern University – Institute of Arts and Sciences into this article as the institute contains very little encyclopaedic info warranting its own article. LibStar (talk) 06:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I will merge by 10 July if no one opposes. LibStar (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

First Metro Manila Film Festival

The first Manila International Film Festival was held in the 1,500-seat Far Eastern University (FEU) Cinema Theater, on September 26 to 28, 1956. Spearheaded by Onofre D. Corpuz, then president of the University of the Philippines. Fourteen countries participated in the first MIFF.

The most popular entries were: Forbidden Games (French), Umberto D (Italian), The Rats (German), Rashomon (Japanese), Edad difícil (Argentinian), Anak Dalita (Philippine guest entry) and Pather Panchali (Indian). The grand award went to the Indian film-maker Satjahit Ray for his Pather Panchali. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.55.172 (talk) 08:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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