Talk:Eusociality/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: 20 upper (talk · contribs) 13:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Interesting article, will look more into it. 20 upper (talk) 13:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• from Greek Remove from
  • Done.

• First sentence is too long, suggest splitting before is defined by
  • Done.

• Eusociality is distinguished from all other social systems because individuals of at least one caste usually lose the ability to perform at least one behavior characteristic of individuals in another caste. Remove one instance of "at least"
  • Done.

• There are two eusocial vertebrates among rodents I don't get, are not all rodents vertebrates?
  • Fixed.

• Eusociality has evolved multiple times in different insect orders. Needs more explaining and needs to be turned into a paragraph
  • Extended, but this is just a lead-in sentence, with the explanations in the subsections below.

• Please find a better image for "In termites"
  • No, it's an excellent photo of good resolution clearly showing different termite castes, as the caption states.

• Also add an image of a queen, particularly the termite queen, as she's very weird
  • I think one image is sufficient for the point here, which is that termites are eusocial, with castes: we have no need to go into queen anatomy for the purposes of this article, and Termite is linked for any reader who wishes to go into this group in more detail.

• Eusociality has arisen in three different lineages among colonial crustaceans. Has arisen?
  • Edited, but it's quite normal language among biologists.

• Synalpheus regalis, Synalpheus microneptunus, Synalpheus filidigitus, Synalpheus elizabethae, Synalpheus chacei, Synalpheus riosi, Synalpheus duffyi, and Synalpheus cayoneptunus. I see they all have the genus name Synalpheus, so I suppose it's only this genus that exhibits eusociality. Specify on that please.
  • Done.

• Usually living in harsh and limited environments Harsh to us but maybe not to them.
  • Just going by the source here; the point is that the adaptation is to the environment, so it's a highly relevant concern. What they may feel about it is not knowable.

• An early 21st century Are we already in the mid 21st century?
  • No, but we can't say use terms like "present" that instantly expire, so we describe the period by name.
    • At least 2005?
      • The debate spanned at least from 2005 to 2012 (per the cited sources) and likely continued beyond that time.
        • Mention that the first sentence is talking about a 2005 debate and the second one about a 2012 debate. The thing is that debates never end; some folks still think the Earth is flat despite the evidence.
          • Edited. Since we agree the debate is open-ended I've removed the time mention.

• how can individuals incapable of passing on their genes evolve and persist? Since when do we ask questions in articles?
  • Edited.

• Why is ecology under evolution?
  • Moved.

• In "Inclusive fitness and haplodiploidy", please remove the two subheadings
  • No, they make the article more readable, telling the reader what the texts are trying to achieve. In the special case where, as here, opposite arguments need to be presented, we would run the risk of confusing readers, and we would have editors telling us the article was disorganized and contradictory.

• Multilevel selection & inclusive and fitness haplodiploidy should go under ecology
  • Done. This means that the main heading is 'Evolutionary ecology' (and is why these were under Evolution).

• What is happening in human culture?
  • Not quite sure what you mean here. This is the usual 'In culture', 'Interactions with humans', 'In human culture' section where we describe human cultural perceptions of the topic, i.e. teddy bears in the Bear article etc. But I've found an interesting discussion in The Hudson Review which makes the section more substantial, so perhaps that answers your question.

• One more, you need to mention when other groups evolved eusociality, not only termites.
  • We have a date for the Ants, actually. These two groups are complete eusocial clades, not the case in the other groups of insects, where eusocial species are among (many) non-eusocial groups, so dates (if they can be found) would not apply to the whole of the wasps or the whole of the bees, for instance. I think we're best leaving it as it is to avoid misleading readers.
    • OK, then mention the dates for other animals and plants, like the mole-rats and ferns.
      • Um, the point is that these are the two largest 100%-of-their-groups (infraorder/family), whole clades which are both familiar and all of them eusocial: not true of any of the other insect groups. The dates give some definitely-useful guiderails for readers new to the subject.

Sources

• Wilson 1971 needs page nos.
  • Fixed.

• Hölldobler 1990 needs page nos.
  • Fixed.

• Cite error in ref 40
  • Fixed params.

• Wilson 2012 needs page nos.
  • Replaced with secondary source.

• McMahon 1992 needs page nos.
  • Removed.

• ref 63 has pn tag
  • Fixed.

• ref 64 needs serious attention
  • Removed.

That's all from me. Once completed, I'd be happy to promote. 20 upper (talk) 08:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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