I added this text to the page:
- It should be noted that, as of 2003, almost no one in the EU is aware of this, since the very motto concept is deemed unimportant.
It was removed shortly after, with NPOV motivation. But I don't think this is a NPOV issue: I live in the EU, and I assure you NO ONE, apart people heavily involved in politics, knows about this. Heck, I learnt what a "national motto" is here on Wikipedia, reading the US page. Maybe the French has "liberté, egalité, fraternité", and UK has "God save the queen", but that's it. If I get no answer, I'll add the text again in the following days. At18 16:10, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- How many US citizen know that "E Pluribus Unum" is one of the 2 mottos of the US?
- almost none, I think. And adding a sentence like "E Pluribus Unum is a little-known motto of the US" would not be a NPOV issue. Just stating a fact. At18 10:53, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- "unimportant" is per se not NPOV.
- "almost no one in the EU is aware of this" This could be on many pages... And how many are avare three pillars structure, Europe day, EUROPOL, Convention on the Future of Europe, European Economic Area? Not many.
- The Convention had a debate on that and refer to the motto in the preamble of its draft constitution
- --Ann O'nyme 09:04, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I mostly agree with you. But stating the fact that the motto is virtually unknown is still NPOV, in my view. If the majority of people in the EU, when hearing a national motto, hardly gives it a thought and forgets about it in about 10 seconds, that still a fact, not a partial POV. An article titled "European motto" is an good place to state that, IMHO. At18 10:53, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I think so too. The first time I heard that an EU motto exists, was on Wikipedia, on this page. That's not true for the three pillars or the existence of the EU commission or the parliament. So maybe a statement like "It should be noted that until now (2003), the motto is little known in the EU populace" should really be added to the article. I also wonder if not the Indians have a similiar motto, ad if that is true, if it shouldn't be noted here, also. -- till we *) 11:12, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)
- I put:
- Note: Until now (2003), the motto is little known in the EU populace.
- --Ann O'nyme 13:13, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- That's OK -- At18 15:24, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Take the exact motto from [1]. It's on top of p222 (in all languages). --Ann O'nyme 13:35, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Also take out the latin... - In varietate concordia - not in treaty ;)
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