Talk:Dundee United F.C./GA1

GA Reassessment

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This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, listed below. I will check back in seven days. If these issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far.

• This article is going to need quite a bit of work on sourcing if it's to maintain its GA listing. There are quite a few dead links,[1] although some of those may be caused by a server problem at the club's web site. I'm particularly concerned that the ArabTRUST web site seems to have disappeared.

Lead

• Seems just a little on the short side.

• Ref #4 doesn't lead to a page confirming the claims about average attendance.

• I'm concerned about ref #5. What makes that a reliable site? As a general point as well, all citations should include publisher and last access date information.

• Is the last paragraph: "2009 is Dundee United's centenary year, 1909–2009" really necessary?

Beginning (1909–1971)

• Second paragraph is uncited.

Jim McLean era (1971–1994)

• In the last paragraph we're told that McLean resigned as manager, but remained as club chairman, yet earlier we were told that he joined as manager, and this is the first mention of him being chairman. Was he appointed club chairman on his resignation as manager, or was he already the club chairman?

After McLean (1994 onwards)

• This section is almost completely uncited.

• The last paragraph—"In October 2008, chairman Eddie Thompson died from prostate cancer, six years after gaining control of his beloved club"—is more suited to a tabloid obituary than an encyclopedia article.

• What's the source of the data for the graph?

Colours and badge

• "United's playing kit is distinct". Every club's kit is distinct, they wouldn't be allowed to play in it otherwise.

• This is another section that is almost entirely uncited.

• What gave the uploader of File:DUFC Crest.JPG the right to put the club's old logo into the public domain?

Stadium

• This sentence just doesn't make sense: "The most recent and serious proposal was put forward as part of Scotland's bid to jointly host the UEFA Euro 2008 championship, with several clubs seeking to benefit from a new stadium with planning permission given to a proposed site at Caird Park."

Supporters

• The end of the first paragraph seems to be a bit muddled (and uncited):

The term was then later resurrected during the early 1990s through the pages of the popular Dundee United football fanzine, The Final Hurdle, with supporters soon declaring that they were Proud To Be An Arab. Deacon Blue singer and long-time Dundee United supporter Ricky Ross even wrote a song declaring this fact. By then, the official club souvenir shops were selling replica keffiyehs, in tangerine and black.

• What "fact" was Ross's song about? That he was proud to be an Arab? That supporters had begun to declare themselves proud to be Arabs? That the term had been resurrected? What song was this?

League

• Completely uncited.

Cups

• Completely uncited.

Europe

• The only citation in this section refers to the FIFA Fair Play award, which was awared to the supporters, not the club, and has already been mentioned in the Supporters section.

List

• What's the source for this information?

Managers

• What's the source for this information?

--Malleus Fatuorum 19:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

• I've tried to help with some of these points. The point I would add is that I think there should be a section about Dundee United's rivals (ie Aberdeen and Dundee, see New Firm (Scotland) and Dundee derby). eg Hibernian F.C.#Rivalry. Although I see in the featured articles of Arsenal F.C. and Ipswich Town F.C. that there isn't a rivals section, which is very odd. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
  • There's sufficient discussion of Dundee's rivalries (in my opinion) to meet the GA criteria. The major problem with this article is lack of citations. --Malleus Fatuorum 09:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
    • Many thanks for pointing out the issues with this article - I've tried to address all the concerns. Please let me know of any further issues, as I may not quite have caught them all. Heightwatcher (talk) 10:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• • • • Thanks for your work Heightwatcher, that'll do for me. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:09, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.