Talk:Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit/Archive 1

Talk Page.

I decided to start up the talk page, so we can TALK about what's gonna happen with the article. I've added the First Source as a Scan, and cleaned up a tiny bit. ^_^. --Undead Pancake (talk) 02:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

This page could use a bit more information from the Jeux France article.-SSJ Gokan (talk) 03:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Then Bring it over? Don't forget to cite it! --Undead Pancake (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Article

You guys seriously messed up the article. I'm gonna make some changes to the style.UltimaFighter 13:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

What happened to references?

Seriously. Somebody fix the references. Somebody has gone and done something to it. And remove the links to YouTube. They really shouldn't be linked to if Atari are trying to remove them.--Kamiccolo33 (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Bardock?

Since when is Bardock confirmed? Give a link or something or he'll be out of there. I'm sick of people editing in characters that have NOT been confirmed.--Kamiccolo33 (talk) 00:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Characters

teen gohan super saiyan, super saiyan 2, nappa, android 16, yamcha, raditz, piccolo, perfect cell and siybermen are all confirmed in these scans, broly, gogeta

http://jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6249620071219_182533_0_big.jpg

http://jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6249620071219_182540_1_big.jpg

http://jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6249620071219_182545_2_big.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.32.236 (talk) 10:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Learn to spell. Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 15:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What the hell Lex? All he did was attempt to give information while providing sources for his claims and you still find it necessary to criticize him for making a few minor grammatical errors? And then Wikipedia users wonder why so many people turn away from the site. Grow up, please. 72.152.135.75 (talk) 04:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed Characters table

I've placed all the confirmed characters in a Wikitable. This way it's more well-organized - at least I think it is. I was in doubt whether it should be put in a Wikitable, or in a navbox which you can collapse. For now I chose to do it this way, but if anyone feels it should be done in a different way, feel free to change it. Allthough just a list of characters (like it was before) is in my opinion not so nice looking. -Jort227 (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Um...

Well it says this game will be the first DBZ game to have in-game cut scenes but that was in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, and it also says that it is the first to have online play, but Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 already had that. Maybe someone should change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.240.230 (talk) 03:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

US Release as Super Budokai?

Where has it been announced that Atari will be releasing the game as Super Budokai? Sarujo (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Pre-emptive protection

I don't mean literal protection as in locking the page, I mean some common-sense protection from idiots.

I suggest we turn the Character List into a table and add several invisible comments (The ones in the code, not visible on the article proper) reminding users they need to have a verifiable source for characters.

The character list and release date are going to be the hot topics for flame wars and vandalism, this is exactly what happened on the last three dragonball z game articles.

Obviously a character can only be added to the list if there is a verifiable source. Can we have a consensus/guideline/rule/restriction that says the only verifiable source is the official website for the game?

Does anyone remember the string of youtube links used as references and the inevitable flame wars about it being a different game or a fake or a mod or you needing to pause the high-res version of the video at exactly 1:24 to see a translucent false-colour image of SSJ3 Young Goku...

It is not up to us to decide on every single youtube video whether or not it comes from a reliable source. Aside from making a mess it's not exactly official. If we restricted the characters allowed to be added to be only the ones coming from the official site then things would be a lot lot smoother.

Sorry if I've angered anyone by suggesting a legislative change. If you disagree with me just say "I disagree" don't make a big argument about this and don't make personal attacks please. 193.128.87.36 (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I would edit the character list into a table and add comments myself but I always mess up the pagination when I try to use Wiki's special formatting options. 193.128.87.36 (talk) 11:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, there are too many people posting rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.228.104 (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What rubbish is this?

Other fans hope it will at least reaches Buu saga, but internet game detective Charles Harles suspects this game has the fusion saga, which is one of the last Movie Saga that take place right after the Majin Buu Saga. "Hopefully fans will be happy with it going to fusion saga, then the next Burst Limit would have GT to cover." Charles says in an interview.

What... what the HELL? I don't know where to begin on this subject. Fusion Saga a "Movie Saga"? Internet game detective? This is all trash. The S (talk) 22:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

People like to give there opinions through internet crap like this, it's pathetic really. Did someone really think this is appropriate for an encyclopedia? Hahahaha... I don't even know where to begin pointing out the mistakes in that edit. Anyway, thanks for reverting this unsourced nonsense. 72.152.135.75 (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

New info

I added some new information about the game's use of in-fight cutscenes and support characters, which has been revealed by the first videos of gameplay. See [1] and especially [2] as a source. These were recorded last week at the Taipei Game Show 2008. Admeister200x (talk) - 6th February 2008

Expected to reach out only to - ?

First it says "Kid Buu" saga. Now it says Cell saga. Source?--99.228.21.74 (talk) 00:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

We've had no evidence/announcement on that subject, so it doesn't belong in the article. Deleted. Admeister200x 13 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 13:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Release date

To whoever added the line about a release date, you listed no source, and there has been no official confirmation, so it doesn't belong in this article. Admeister200x 14 February 2008

Stop adding it! It's not official, it has no place in this article. I'll just keep deleting it. Admeister200x 18 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

EU Release

this game has been confirmed for europe here is a link http://www.namcobandaigames.eu/en/press/16/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.46.223 (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Added to the article, thanks. Admeister200x 21 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 13:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634505 These guys caused the vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.37.207 (talk) 19:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed Date

http://www.gamespot.com/video/0/6186632/videoplayerpop?rgroup=gdc08_live The PS3 and XBOX 360 versions will be released in july 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.187.51 (talk) 22:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, that video has a lot of useful info. I've added things from it, but I'm having trouble with putting in a reference to it in the article. Whenever I put in a reference, it eats the Gameplay section. Admeister200x - 27 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 02:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone edited the release date for Europe saying it's coming out on the 6th, is this a fact or someone messing about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.177.113 (talk) 01:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Playable Characters

The link confirming 35 playable characters is not a V-Jump scan. I assume it's safe to say it's been vandalized: http://img232.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=26190_a27_122_385lo.JPG --74.12.31.242 (talk) 15:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

That happens sometimes for some reason. Try a second time, but it DOES go to a V-Jump scan because I have used that link.--Kamiccolo33 (talk) 00:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Every time I click on this link a large man and woman pop up I guess the man is a rapper but I don't like rap so I don't know him. This link provides no proof of 35 playable characters as much as I wish it to be so I must edited it to 21 characters for those are the only ones confirmed and found ANYWHERE! --LordSatan (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The new meristation vedio

This vedio had been tbanslated by verious sites like Atari forums and game faqs massage boards.. every thing I posted in the atricle is 100% true so please don't delete it unliss you are shore this is wrong. also the japanese release data has been confirmed in the psn trailer so it is 100% official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The-skulls-lover (talk • contribs) 14:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Broly and Bardock?

Since when Bardock and Broly comfrimed? SuperSaiyanCrash 8:00 24th March 2008 (UTC).

When the new vids were leaked.96.240.141.121 (talk) 23:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Errr...

the first video game from the Dragon Ball franchise for next generation consoles? isn't wii a next generation console? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.54.185 (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is. We will change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.42.125 (talk) 02:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Admeister200x 27th March 2008

Sources for characters?

Can we start sourcing all the characters again? I've never seen evidence for some of these characters before. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 20:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No Character Section without references.

The character list keeps getting made up without any evidence. Some people added the various fusions of Gotenks even though it has been reported the game only extends to the Cell saga.

Do not add characters that you have heard rumours about in a forum somewhere. Only add characters you can add references for.

Look at the page for Budokai Tenkaichi 2 or 3 to see how it should be done. Loo at the history page for those games to see what happened the last time fanboys kept adding people without references. 86.150.194.133 (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's face it the only real way to settle this problem is to just lock down the page. Otherwise this war over the character roster is only going to get worse until the game is released. As I write Johnny542 has already put the character list back up and removed the story section. Sarujo (talk) 02:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You're right. When I looked at the page just now I was about to remove the character list again with some comment like Putting The Word CONFIRMED In The Section Title Does Not Count As A Reference. But I came here first and you're right, it is just going to devolve into an edit war. What I might do is try to build a table of confirmed characters with real references (Not Youtube videos) by copying the table from Tenkaichi 3. If the table has just five characters in it then it'll be a start and it might (Hopefully) inspire people to follow suit and reference characters properly. But then again, I might not make the table at all, it depends how bored I get at work tomorrow. 86.150.196.127 (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WOW, I just saw the page on Tenkaichi 3, it's changed a lot since I last saw it. That's what you get for taking a wikibreak I guess. Anyway, ignore what I said about copying the table from there since the table I meant doesn't exist there anymore. 86.150.196.127 (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should put together a list of references here before integrating them into the article?Takuthehedgehog (talk) 01:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Goku (Base)[3]
• Goku (Kaio-Ken)[4]
• Goku (Super Saiyan)[5]
• Kid Gohan[6]
• Teen Gohan (Base)[7]
• Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan)[8]
• Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan 2)[9]
• Piccolo[10]
• Krillin[11]
• Yamcha[12]
• Tien[13]
• Trunks (Base)[14]
• Trunks (Super Saiyan)[15]
• Trunks ("Super Trunks")[16]
• Vegeta (Base)[17]
• Vegeta (Super Saiyan)[18]
• Vegeta ("Super Vegeta")[19]
• Nappa[20]
• Raditz[21]
• Saibaman[22]

[23] also confirms several other characters. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 01:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It turns out I was bored at work so I did make a table, Thanks for your help Takuthehedgehog.

Character	Tranformation(s)	Tranformation(s)
Goku (Base)[24]	Goku (Kaio-Ken)[25]	Goku (Super Saiyan)[26]
Kid Gohan[27]
Teen Gohan (Base)[28]	Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan)[29]	Teen Gohan (Super Saiyan 2)[30]
Piccolo[31]
Krillin[32]
Yamcha[33]
Tien[34]
Trunks (Base)[35]	Trunks (Super Saiyan)[36]	Trunks ("Super Trunks")[37]
Vegeta (Base)[38]	Vegeta (Super Saiyan)[39]	Vegeta ("Super Vegeta")[40]
Nappa[41]
Raditz[42]
Saibaman[43]

What do you think? Idealy the names for the characters and the transformations should come from the bandaigames site but I can't read japanese so I'm going to trust that Taku got them right.193.128.87.36 (talk) 14:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I was just using what they were translated as in the Budokai games. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Thanks though. There's been a bit of a dispute with a particular user, he uses an IP Address (Addmittedly so do I, but I'm on a wikibreak) and can't seem to work out Talk Pages or Edit Summaries so keeps putting his replies in the article. We had a few arguments but I think it should be settled now. One of his(Or indeed her) major beefs was with the table format, I choose a table because with the huge character list of Tenkaichi 3 it was a lot tidier but he (or she) is right, it looks kinda dumb to have a table for only a dozen referencable characters. Plus fixing the random edits is a lot harder if people keep breaking the table code. So I made it into a list instead of a table. There has also been some dispute over the names used, specifically Super Trunks and Super Vegeta. Is there any English information out about the character names yet, like an English version of the bandai games site? If not, can someone translate it please, lol. It'd be better to get a definitive answer rather than fight back and forth over what it should be.81.153.24.7 (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

There's an English site[44] but its flash, so you can't directly link to a section of the site. Also, I went through and got references for the characters that appear in the three trailers on the Japanese site. Everyone that appears in the first or second trailer appears in the third, so I just referenced the third trailer for all of them. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, the Japanese site updated with profiles for most everyone else! I'll reference those instead. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 22:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Frieza (First Form) [45]
• Frieza (Second Form) [46]
• Frieza (Third Form) [47]
• Frieza (Final Form) [48]
• Frieza (100% Final Form) [49]
• Captain Ginyu [50]
• Recoome [51]
• Cell (Base) [52]
• Cell (Semi-Perfect) [53]
• Cell (Perfect) [54]
• Android #16 [55]
• Android #17 [56]
• Android #18 [57]

Character	Tranformation(s)	Tranformation(s)	Tranformation(s)	Tranformation(s)
Goku[58]	(Kaio-Ken)[59]	(Super Saiyan)[60]
Kid Gohan[61]
Teen Gohan[62]	(Super Saiyan)[63]	(Super Saiyan 2)[64]
Piccolo[65]
Krillin[66]
Yamcha[67]
Tien[68]
Trunks[69]	(Super Saiyan)[70]	("Super Trunks")[71]
Vegeta[72]	(Super Saiyan)[73]	("Super Vegeta")[74]
Nappa[75]
Raditz[76]
Saibaman[77]
Frieza[78]	(Second Form)[79]	(Third Form)[80]	(Final Form)[81]	(100% Final Form)[82]
Captain Ginyu[83]
Recoome[84]
Cell[85]	(Semi-Perfect)[86]	(Perfect)[87]
Android #16[88]
Android #17[89]
Android #18[90]

The only characters that don't have profiles on the Japanese site yet are Broly and Bardock, and they can be seen on the character select screen in the newest trailer at 02:18. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: The Japanese site has been updated to include Broly and Bardock, Page 4 labeled as New... --LordSatan (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

So is there not going to be a Super Perfect Cell in Burst Limit then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.177.113 (talk) 09:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You guys know that Krillin gets an unlocked potential transformation during the Freiza Saga. No idea how to add that to the table.68.105.50.35 (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi Proctection

The character list is finally referenced but it keeps getting removed in favour of rampant speculation. Is there an option between edit-war and semi-protection? Can one protect a specific section?86.150.194.219 (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that is possible, but when we get a (semi-)protection from this page, I'd suggest we put the table with the referenced characters back up. I looks better IMO than what we have now, which is just a list of characters. -Jort227 (talk) 08:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it looks a lot more professional than the list, but an IP Adddress kept vandalising it because he didn't like the table, it was easier to make it a list than to keep fixing the table code. And the table looked a bit weird at first with less characters, it's not so bad now there're more, maybe in a few weeks when there're even more characters we can put it back in a table.193.128.87.36 (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok so now someone just decided to get rid of the list alltogether. I decided to put it back, since all characters who were in the list, had references. But man, it's annoying that people keep editting stuff like this. -Jort227 (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)