Talk:Distributive justice/Archive 1

Archive 1

This article is in need of cleanup

It seems to be very POV, contains entirely uncited original research, and might not even be notable. Improvement welcome, in the mean time tagged. Financestudent (talk) 17:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Examples of Distributive Justice

Should there not be a discussion of particular popular theories of Distributive Justice. e.g Justice as Entitlement - Classical Liberalism/Conservatism and modern thinkers like Nozick. Justice as Equality - 'true' Socialism/certain elements of Anarchism. Justice as Need - Marx; "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" 82.18.226.22 14:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I came by today because I found the phrase "distributive justice" in the response by the 1st Senate of the United States to the 1st Address to Congress given by George Washington. This was their first official communication with each other

"We feel, sir, the force, and acknowledge the justness of the observation, that the foundation of our national policy should be laid in private morality. If individuals be not influenced by moral principles, it is in vain to look for public virtues; it is, therefore, the duty of legislators to enforce, both by precept and example, the utility, as well as the necessity, of a strict adherence to the rules of distributive justice."

Memory.Loc.Govis the source of that quote. JoshNarins (talk) 23:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It may be very useful to use Nozick's categorisations of distributive theories in Anarchy, State and Utopia, i.e. theories have an 'end-state' principle (like utilitarianism, where the principle is maximised happiness) or a 'historical' principle (where justice lies in what has happened, like Marx's assertion above). Historical theories can be further broken down into patterned (where distribution is determined by some 'natural dimension' or sum, like "each according to their merit/need/labour") or unpatterned (where the way of coming to hold property is important, like Nozick's own entitlement theory). However, despite the fame and popularity of Anarchy, State and Utopia, it's not clear to me how popular his catergorisations of distributive justice are. (It should be noted that Nozick rejects the very term "distributive justice" because it is, to him, inherently bias towards theories where resources are in some big social pot to be handed out by an authority. He prefers to call it "justice in holdings".) -- S G Gower (talk) 12:12, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Justice and utilitarianism

This article says that anyone who has utilitarian ideas will use the ideas of distributive justice. Personally, I would argue that the opposite is true. You see utilitarianism is concerned with what is useful whereas distributive justice involves doing what is equitable. And what is useful is often completely different from what is equitable. For example capitalism could be argued to be useful, but certainly not equitable. Most utilitarians would argue that equity isn't inherently desirable at all, that happiness and happiness only is. I therefore really disagree with the article here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlyduffman (talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Theonlyduffman's comment raises questions about what 'equitable' means. It meanfor example, equal access to what is available or access proportionate to inputs or wealth creation, with further questions about the shares of people who are unable to create wealth. charliecharlieecho 28 December 2010

What is just is not necessarily equitable. Some theories, often characterised in Plato's dialogues, support the idea that the strongest should take everything they can, utterly disregarding what might be conventionally considered fair -- what is just is to hoard everything you can. Equity isn't really important in these sorts of theories, strength (physical, political or otherwise) is. Nozick's entitlement theory is a more modern example -- what's important isn't that everyone gets their fair share, but that holdings are gained and transferred in a manner consistent with personal liberty. -- S G Gower (talk) 12:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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Different schools of distributive justice

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I think there is a need for developing a section shedding light on the different schools of thought in relation to Distributive Justice. I am planning on starting such a section these coming weeks (most likely focusing on Rawlsian justice, utilitarianism, and luck egalitarianism as defined by. Please feel free to add to this. EmilieBB (talk) 22:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)EmilieBB

References

Introduction

The introduction is in need of both citations and some adjustments in terms of conceptualizations, but also a more holistic view on what "Distributive Justice" according to different approaches and fields. I hope to be able to contribute positively to this in the coming weeks, adding especially some of the nuances from a political science perspective. EmilieBB (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)EmilieBB