Talk:Dastgāh

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Why Dastgahs were categorized under so-called "Islamic Arts"? First of all it is about Persian music not the religion of Islam. Second not all the Persians are Muslim. Third, Islam is not the only religion that have used or is influenced by Persian music. I put it under Persian Arts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.132.197 (talk) 16:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Creation of dastgah system

Could someone clarify: did Barbad create the dastgahs? I noticed in the Barbad article that he is credited with creating the tradition that included dastgahs; but it doesn't precisely say whether he made them. Dogru144 03:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC) 03:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Barbad article says that what Barbad created, lives on in today's dastgah system. And that is true, but Barbad did not create the system we know today as the dastgah system. Not much is known about his Khosravani system. I will add some information to the articles. Thanks for the question. --Shabdiz 14:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Radif

Hello. The link of "Radif" in section "See also" is erroneous. It takes you to "Radif" as a concept of Urdu poetry, and in fact the first phrase of that article is: "This article is about radif in Urdu poetry. For the radif in Iranian music theory, see Musical radif." Thus the correct link would be "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_radif".

Thank you! I removed the link from the "See also" section, as a correct wikilink is already given in the article. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Dastgah/Avaz

There is a mistake in the article. Not all of these modal systems are called Dastgah. Seven of them are Dastgahs, namely:

• Shour
• Homayoun
• Segah
• Chahargah
• Mahour
• Nava
• Rast-Panjgah

And, the other five are called Avaz:

• Abu`ata
• Afshari
• Bayat-e-Tork
• Dashti
• Esfehan (also called Bayat-e-Esfehan)

These five are not independent. The first four (Abu`ata, Afshari, Bayat-e-Tork & Dashti) are related to Shour, and the last one (Esfehan) is related to Homayoun. There are also two other Avazes (both related to Shour):

• Bayat-e-Kord
• Qetar (In Mirza Hossein-Gholi's Radif)

--Saba84 (talk) 22:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Good observation. There is much confusion and disagreement on which are Dastgah, which are Avaz, which are derived or dependent on which - or whether this relationship is coincidental. In fact, almost all authors agree that there are 12 Dastgah/Avaz, but the list is of 13. I'll try to edit the article to clarify this. Another idea would be to move this whole thing into a Radif section that distinguishes between Avaz and Dastgah. Avaz is further confusing because it has been used now to refer to the free rhythmic rendering of any Dastgah/Avaz, as opposed to the infinitely more popular composed fixed meter pieces.

Phendejampa (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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Added more info

I've added more info about the dastgahs and avazs (what is the correct plural here?) from the Radif of Mirza Abdollah and from German Wikipedia, including pitches and translations. I've also added pictures showing the most common pitches of some of them in western notation, however I do understand this is not ideal or complete because some of the variable pitches are only in some octaves - for instance in Mahur, the b is flat in the higher octave and natural in lower octave. If anyone has any ideas of a better way to illustrate this using western notation, please feel free to edit. I was also wondering if people would find it helpful if I provided audio samples of each or some of the dastgahs and avazs on oud/barbat (setar or tar would be best perhaps, but I'm an oud player). Jo Dusepo (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jo,

I think it would be definitively of help to have audio recordings! Lumenor (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)