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Darkinjung not distinct from Darkinung

This page was originally about the Darkinjung people, but it was changed by an IP editor in 2011–2012 to be about the modern Land Council – Special:Diff/453835689, Special:Diff/453837856. The nav box has Darkinung and Darkinjung as two separate groups. I see no evidence (and consider it highly unlikely) that there were ever separate Darkinjung versus Darkinung tribes.

Matthews [year needed] doesn't mention any people to the east of Darkinung and [other source] says it is unclear whether Darkin(j/y)(u/a)ng territory extended to the coast. It could be that the Awabakal extended south or the "Guringai" north to Tuggerah Lakes.

Questions:

1. Do we accept that there was only one group Darkin(j/y)(u/a)ng, who spoke Darkinyung language?
2. If so, does the Darkinjung Land Council warrant a separate article, even if its modern territory may be different from traditional Darkiñung lands?

[I'll edit this when I can, to fix the parts in square brackets.] – Pelagic (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Paragraph about land council was originally added Sept 2011 from a different IP Special:Diff/448714471. Pelagic (talk) 20:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I found a research thesis by Geoffrey Ford. He places the Wannungine people to the east of the Darkiñung, and states that Awabakal and Kuring-gai are later designations. [1]

I'm now confident that there was only one Darki(n/ñ/nj/ny)(u/a)ng indigenous group/moiety/clan, and think we should have something (even if it's just a redirect to a list of ALCs) about the similarly-named Land Council, to distinguish the two.

Full thesis and accessory materials: Ford, Geoffrey Eric (2010). Darkiñung Recognition: An Analysis of the Historiography for the Aborigines from the Hawkesbury-Hunter Ranges to the Northwest of Sydney: [commonly written with English characters as 'Darkinung', Darkinyung or Darkinjung]. University of Sydney. Pelagic (talk) 10:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Corrected Offensive language in post

Hi folks, My grandfather was a Darkinjung man and I am a Darkinjung woman. I have removed offensive language "Darkingjung people became extinct". We did not, in fact, become extinct. We are still here, living on Indigenous land, hundreds of years later. We were dispossessed and taken from our land to missions all over New South Wales.

It is deeply offensive to Australian First Nations people to have this language included in an encyclopedia that is consumed by millions of people worldwide.

I have provided sources and can provide more, if requested. If you are not part of the Darkinjung tribe, please refrain from silencing our voices.

Kind regards, Rebecca

As I said in the edit summary of my revert of your edit, the source you provided contained no explicit mention of the Darkinjung people. On the other hand, the source previously in the article said explicitly that the Darkinjung people were extinct (i.e., nowhere to be found, "the last Darkinjung person" having been reported to have "died in 1874"). I have no interest in offending anyone or silencing anyone's voice, but Wikipedia needs to rely on the testimony of reliable sources for the content of its articles. I'm going to revert your edit once again; please don't insist on your preferred version unless you can cite a reliable source for the continued existence of these people. Deor (talk) 17:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Provided multiple sources to remove offensive language

Thanks for your reply, but you cannot say that humans are extinct. We are not animals. This is colonial and antiquated language and highlights a systemic problem with colonial rule, as oral histories are never captured accurately.

I provided you with a source that proved my family were removed from their land and moved to Sackville Mission. You are silencing indigenous voices when you deny our lived experience, especially if you are not indigenous. There is a book that has been written about my family. I will post multiple sources below and remove your offensive content. Should I publicly post my entire family's birth certificates? Would that satisfy you? I will write and publish an article to provide further insight. For now, the multiple sources I have provided should suffice.

References

I've had to revert your edit again, as the references you've provided fail to support your claims. (Citations of library-catalog entries are useless; a citation of a book should include all the relevant bibliographic information—including the page number[s] where verification of the text can be found). The Web page you've cited confirms the existence of a mission at Sackville Reach, but it says nothing about the presence of Darkinjung people there or about any particular families. I'm afraid your "lived experience", if it hasn't been published in reliable, independent sources, constitutes what Wikipedia calls original research, which is not acceptable. Since you seem to find the word extinct particularly offensive, I've reworded the text a bit to avoid it. If you want to discuss the content of the article further, or have other possible sources that you think should be considered, please bring the matter here for discussion before again changing the article to your preferred version. Deor (talk) 17:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

"Invasion and colonisation kicked off a slow and cumulative process of violence, theft of Aboriginal women and children, dispossession and the ongoing annexation of the river lands, and ultimately the erosion of Aboriginal culture and Language. Yet despite this sorry history, Darug and Darkinjung people managed to remain on their Country, and they still live on Dyarubbin today.[7] This reference is from 2021, your reference from writers who said they had not met any body who was Darkinjung was from 1994. Please update. Soccertome (talk) 08:36, 5 June 2022 (UTC)