Talk:Crediton

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"much exposed to the incursions of pirates" - land pirates? Totnesmartin 21:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It comes from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica. I suspect (but this is just my own POV) that it is probably a reference to Viking raiders not the Long John Silver type you are thinking of. According to WP they did occupy Exeter in 1001 - within living memory of 1049.--NHSavage (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

N.W.A.

Editors using several anonymous IP accounts have attempted to insert the following (or similar) text to the page : "In 1993 N.W.A. re-formed to perform a small concert in what was the old liberal club of Crediton; they performed a reworking of their song Straight Outta Compton entitled Straight Outta Kirton. There has been some recent debate about the validity of claiming this as a true NWA performance, as not all members were present. Several photographs of the event are visible in the cd insert from the single Chin Check and one is also featured in the cd insert from The Best of N.W.A. - The Strength of Street Knowledge." This appears to be a hoax, a student "joke". Despite requests, no independent verification has been provided, and the user(s) have persistently reverted attempts to delete this text. Ghmyrtle 11:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

One feels that Ghmyrtle should undertake a more throrough checking of facts, as the concert is elaborated on in a number of books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.194.76 (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Such as ...? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

OK - I'll check. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

this is b.s. Its possible 1 or 2 members performed there, I guess, but definitely not the group. Anyway, why would they be in England? And why is this relevant to the article? If there WAS a concert it definitely wasn't the whole group, (since Eazy and Dre never made up while Eazy was alive) so what would make this event special?64.105.35.230 (talk) 04:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What makes the event noteworthy and worthy of the article, is the performance of the never released song straight of outa khirton. Despite repeated citing of documentary and photographic evidence, Ghymyrtle refuses to acknowledge the event took place. One questions whether he has taken the time to check the aforementioned references, or merely brand as a student 'joke', despite attempted validation from many 'editors'. Does this laugh in the face of the founding priciples of wikipedia. May I suggest other 'corrections' of Ghmyrtle be clarified, as I feel we have yet another rogue moderators ignoring facts, either through idiocy or blind ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.170.240.10 (talk • contribs)

No citations have ever been provided; I've removed these unsupported claims. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

What about the citations that were added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.194.76 (talk) 14:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

What citations? ("It's in a book" does not constitute a citation.) --Orange Mike | Talk 16:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry sir, but the fact you can reference a fact in a book, indeed CITE it in a book makes it a CITATION. Orangemike: Your profile page says that you're glad that "the good guys" won the American Civil War. Can you cite that they are good guys? The answer is you can't, because that's a relative opinion, but one based on evidence. But you can't cite that your relative opinion is fact. However, it also says that you're Irish, but it also says you were born in 1953 in Jackson, Tennessee. That's a pretty big contradiction, non? Can we really trust your adjudication on what is a correct reference when it would appear that the most simple facts seem to confuse you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.194.76 (talk) 12:02, 13 June 2008

I'm sorry but that is exactly what a citation is by definition. I have lived in Crediton for the past 32 years, and this event happened, I question whether either you or Gyhmrtlelele have actually set foot in Crediton, or could even point it out on a map. I have cited two books that referenced this event. GO CHECK THE CITATIONS, Ronin Ro's 'Dr Dre: The Biography' and 'The Day Eazy-E Died (B-boy Blues)' by James E. Hardy.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.34.179 (talk) 06:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What pages of these books describe this event? You cannot expect your fellow editors to search an entire volume for a report of a single event. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he can. As below, absence of proof is not proof of absence. In this care the emphasis on those who claim the event is a hoax to actually prove that it is such 80.42.159.82 (talk) 01:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Even if I was to find my copy of the The Day Easy-E died (I do not own Dre's biography and know nothing of this reference), and re-read, and relocate the references, I highly doubt any fellow editor is going to take the time to check. So what is the point. You have already come to the conclusion that this is a hoax. Another wikipedia supporter of bad history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.195.157 (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

"The Day Eazy-E Died" is a work of fiction - [1] - hardly a reliable source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Much like the Sharpe novels are fiction, yet fiction based on reality, perhaps? Current affairs add a strong background to a novel, especially one that deals with the death of a well-known 'gangsta rapper' from an AIDS-related disease. That's quite the event in such circles, and as unlikely as it seems, the novel does deal with the reunion at the Liberal Hall at Crediton. It's certainly noteworthy and yes, it wasn't the full Dr Dre, MC Ren, Ice-Cube and Eazy-E quartet, but like many great acts, they continued to through a number of lineup changes with Eazy-E remaining the sole member before Dre's founding of Death Row. along with the death of Easy-E put paid to the NWA name for good. You can find the tour referenced in Dre's first solo efforts on Death Row, where he attacks one "Sleazy-E" for his rampant desire for money.80.42.159.82 (talk) 01:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to put this to rest by various enquiries - will be back when I can give a definitive referenced answer. In the meantime claims not properly referenced will continue to be reverted. You've got to admit the story seems "unlikely", to put it mildly, and therefore needs unarguable proof. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

All claims have been properly referenced, I am unable to provide more evidence that this event took place. I do not deny the gig was surprising, but the for someone to perpetuate this so called lie would be a fruitless endeavour, what would I and others be trying to achieve? I merely feel that this is a noteworthy event, and the continued questioning of the validity of the claim is insulting to me and the other claimants. What more evidence can I provide, I have provided sources in biographies, and photo evidence from two cd inserts. If this is your stance, then shouldn't things like the great fire of Crediton also be removed, until a living witness/video evidence is found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.170.240.10 (talk) 09:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe the continued removal of this edit due to it being "unlikely" is very unprofessional, and I do not believe Ghmrytle is taking the necessary steps to check the references, therefore making the continued deletion unjust, and his ability, and integrity as a wikipedia moderator questionable . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.170.240.10 (talk) 10:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't question that, if this event happened, it is notable (/ bizarre) enough to be mentioned. The question is whether it happened or not. You say it did, others say it didn't. It is inherently very unlikely to have taken place, knowing what I do of both NWA and Crediton, and I think the onus is on you to provide the proof. I'm doing some checking, as I said. And I'm not a "moderator". Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What proof is required then, and what checking are you doing? I Apologise then, but someone above questioned the relevance of it to the article. I would love to know who these "others" are who claim it didn't happen, the lack of knowledge of an event does not mean it didn't happen, thats ignorance, not FACT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.170.240.10 (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

To be included in an article, a claim must be verifiable. That's an underlying principle here. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure a PUBLISHED BOOK is verifiable evidence, avaialble from Amazon £15.99. Also as mentioned by a previous editor, 75% of the Crediton article is uncited and totally unverifiable. More bad history.

Being that "Ghmyrtle" is not a moderator, would his continual edits hint that he is suffering from some sort of racial prejudice and his editing crusade is based on discrimination? The others he mentions are probably fellow members of the Crediton KKK.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.194.76 (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2008

Checked CD inserts, and have established this is unlikely event did infact happen. Who knew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.244.67 (talk) 23:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but someone saying "they've checked" does not verify it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Well what the f**k does, we have done everything required by wikipedia to include additions to an article. All you prove with your action Ghymrtle is that the only truth is the account of the most emphatic assertive person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.66.54 (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:CITE for information on how to cite a source. Page numbers, for example; publishers and authors and publication dates; maybe some information as to what the source actually says. You know; the usual. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Evidence of a hoaxer

I've been led here by this edit to Compton Castle, which is demonstrably untrue. It is certain that the sale of a National Trust property to a rapper from California would make a few headlines, but there's no mention in the two online refs provided, and neither Google nor UK NewsBank searches provide any other sources. Shortly after making that edit, the same IP added the book citations that have been discussed here. Adding this to the existing evidence above convinces me: I'm removing the hoax from the article.  —SMALLJIM  14:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Absence of proof is not proof of absence though! 80.42.159.82 (talk) 01:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

But if you can't verify a claim, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Remove the uncited 'facts' in this article then.82.32.194.76 (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Uncited material removed from the article Jimidybo (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

History

On the whole completely uncited and unreferenced. "Perhaps it was at this time that the prescriptive borough of Crediton arose" - Perhaps?? How is that historical fact? In addition, I think it is important to question some of the 'accepted' 'history' presented as fact here. Did Cromwell really visit? Provide a year. Did King Charles I really pass through and to what purpose. Given the role of Exeter during the Civil Wars, what importance would Crediton have served? These are more valid questions and this section needs to be expanded if it is to be of any use. There's too much acceptance of the Boniface legend as truth too, and the article again includes such striking words as 'maybe' and 'perhaps' which show that any true history contained within is somewhat vague. As such, I have tagged areas needing reference and citation. 82.32.194.76 (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It may be, and we have ways at Wikipedia to address the issue of unclear or dubious sourcing of any given article. Your objections, however, are a result of your having had a hard time inserting a bit about an unlikely event you can't prove into the article, and in reply challenging most of the rest of the article line by line, a red flag for WP:POINT. A mere content dispute wouldn't require my attention. What you have been doing here, how you've been consistently addressing other editors with whom you disagree has been disruptive and uncivil, indeed insulting, and has led to your first block for WP:NPA. Ad hominems are not tolerated. Unless you show some acknowledgement of that and subsequently adopt a more collegial tone, the next inevitable block will be much longer. --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Much of the history seems to be a straight copy and paste from this website. It needs rewriting and ideally some other refrences used. --NHSavage (talk) 08:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC) Oops that's tosh. Now I look at this article it is clearly referenced as coming from Wikipedia. Doh! The strange tone may be the parts lifted from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica.--NHSavage (talk) 08:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

To see which text is copy and paste from 1911 EB see here.NHSavage (talk) 09:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

"(Credington, Cryditon, Kirton, Kirkinton)"

I presume these are either alternative names for Crediton, or historical names. But it would be nice if this were pointed out, rather than just dumped in the opening paragraph without explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.31.136 (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I've removed them. If they can be verified, they should be reinserted, with an explanation, in a more appropriate section of the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

“Kirton spinning” is byworded in the article.

Also there are historical writeups saying such as…”The colloquial designation of this place is Kirton”

Reckon all the aforeshown spellings of Crediton are bywordworthy. Seems that the official nowadays spelling “Crediton” is a very recent engineering.

If I recall rightly, there is even the spelling ‘Credditton’ [cre-ditton?] as in “Thames Ditton”, “Emsdetten”, “Woodditton” and aforesuchlike. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:2943:2CB4:E698:D5F7 (talk) 21:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Industry

I came here looking for information on the industry that led to Crediton's importance prior to the 20th century. This is unfortunately lacking; does anyone have the necessary reference work to fill this gap? Afterbrunel (talk) 18:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I've added a couple of sentences about the manufacture of woollen cloth which was the town's main source of income until the early 1800s. It is mentioned at sites like this, but much more could be added. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Opinion not fact

"The Exeter to Plymouth railway of the LSWR needs to be reopened to connect Cornwall and Plymouth to the section of line from Okehampton via Crediton and Exeter with the rest of the UK railway system on an all weather basis."

Just wanted to say that the above is solely the opinion of the author. Should be revised to say "It would be nice if..." but that's all "needs to be reopened" amounts to at the moment and is pretty unlikely to happen anytime soon however desirable.

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