Talk:Christmas Time (Is Here Again)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 16:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

My review of this article should start tonight, thought it might take a few days due to working at Maccys. --K. Peake 16:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• The length of the 1995 version is not written out anywhere in the body
  • Changed it to 2:19 as this is the time that Winn (2009) uses.
• Genre should be named as Christmas but pipe to the same Wiki, plus write out and source the genre in background and comp since sources shouldn't be in the infobox
  • Done.
• Separate the songwriters using bullet points instead
  • Done.
• Pipe Christmas song to Christmas music
  • Done.
• "by the English rock band" → "by English rock band" with the pipe
  • Done.
• Shouldn't you mention it being recorded for their fifth Christmas record then write the title and add release year in brackets? Also, remove wikilink on Christmas record.
  • Done and done.
• "of the group," → "of the band,"
  • Done.
• "sung by the Beatles," → "sung by them,"
  • Done.
• Are you sure the producer and actor introductions are needed here when they are used in the body?
  • You're right, it's not necessary. Removed.
• It is not sourced that the refrain is the title of the song
  • It is sourced in the text below the music sample.

• Oh sorry, must have missed that initially. --K. Peake 09:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

• "the song remained officially" → ""Christmas Time (Is Here Again)" remained officially"
  • Done.
• "the Beatles' Sessions album." → "the Beatles' then-upcoming album Sessions." to specify
  • Done.
• Mention the 1995 version being released by Apple Records, plus the shortened length should be written out in the body
  • Done.
• "was re-issued in" → "was re-issued on" with the wikilink
  • Done.
• "of the original" → "of the band's original" for proper context
  • Done.

Background and composition

• Remove introduction to who the Beatles are, as that being in the lead is enough
  • Done.
• "distributed in December" → "which were distributed in December"
  • Done.
• The change of tense in the second sentence reads awkwardly; shouldn't it be something like "later years incorporate skits and music" because the records still exist?
  • Yeah, agreed. Fixed.
• Shouldn't you mention the title of the record in the following sentence because even RS writes it out?
  • Done.
• "a fictional group, "The Ravellers"," → "a fictional group named the Ravellers" per MOS:THEMUSIC and speech marks not being needed
  • Done.
• Wikilink BBC to itself
  • Done.
• Are you sure semi-colons should be used for the skits when this is not really presented in a list format?
  • Whoops, I forgot to change them to commas after rewriting that sentence. Fixed.
• "and "The Ravellers" playing piano" → "and the group playing piano"
  • Done.
• [5] should solely be at the end of the sentence especially since it is the only ref after the third comma
  • Done.
• "calls it a" → "calls the work a"
  • Done.
• Pipe nonsensical poem to Literary nonsense
  • Done.
• Shouldn't the audio sample be at the start of the second para here instead?
  • Yeah, that's fair. Moved it.
• "is one of the few credited to all four Beatles," → "is one of the Beatles' few releases credited to all four of them," to specify
  • I rephrased it as "is one of the Beatles' few releases credited to all four members,"

• That is fine. --K. Peake 09:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

• Pipe key to Key (music)
  • Done.

Recording

• "recorded their fifth Christmas record on" → "recorded Christmas Time Is Here Again! on"
  • Done.
• "George Martin produced the session," → "Martin produced the session,"
  • Done.
• Remove the comma after new EP plus mention it "was the band's first..." if this is what you mean
  • Done.
• Merge the first and second paras
  • Done.
• "a stage adaptation of Lennon's" → "a stage adaptation of the band member's" plus mention the book's title and add the release year in brackets
  • In writing the page for In His Own Write I realized it was actually both of Lennon's books, so I've added that info and fixed it per your suggestion.
• "the Christmas record's recording, performing in the skits and singing" → "the record's recording; he performed in the skits and sung"
  • Done.
• Wikilink acoustic guitar
  • Done.
• "The band, along with" → "The Beatles, along with"
  • Done.
• "the next day to mix the previous night's recordings." → "the day after the session to mix its recordings." since this is a new para, with the pipe
  • Done.
• "of the Christmas record, with" → "of the record, with"
  • Done.
• [4] should be solely at the end of the para, as it is the only ref
  • Done.

Release history

• Retitle to Release
  • Done.
• "with American fans instead" → "with Americans instead" to be less repetitive
  • Done.
• Merge the first para with the second one
  • Done.
• "This mix was originally" → "The mix was originally"
  • Done.
• "to executives at EMI but" → "to executives at EMI Records but" because otherwise it sounds like you are talking about the studio again
  • Done.
• Pipe CD to Compact disc
  • Done.
• Pipe cross-fading to Crossfade (audio engineering) per MOS:LINK2SECT
  • Done.
• Pipe B-side to A-side and B-side
  • Done.
• "these versions of" → "the two versions of"
  • Done.
• "CD single,[18] released in the UK" → "CD single in the UK" to avoid repetition of "released", plus move [18] to solely at the end of the sentence after [16]
  • Done.
• "Winn writes that it is" → "Winn says it is"
  • Done.
• "in a limited-edition box set," → "on limited-edition box set"
  • Made it "on a limited-edition box set"

• Nice grammar fix there. --K. Peake 07:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Personnel

• Shouldn't this be titled Credits and personnel?
  • I don't think so. WikiProject Songs doesn't say one way or the other, but FAs like "Hey Jude" and "Something" simply title it "Personnel". For what its worth, WikiProject albums style guide says that the heading should be personnel.

References

Notes

• Why is Ringo Starr the only member with his article directed to here?
  • I linked to him b/c he's credited under his birth name, Richard Starkey, which I wouldn't expect the average reader to know about.

Citations

• Copyvio score looks fantastic at 13.8%!!!
  • :)
• uDiscover Music → uDiscoverMusic on ref 20, plus this is reliable due to the author's Record Collector work
  • Fixed.

Sources

• WP:OVERLINK of the Beatles on "Free as a Bird" source
  • Fixed.

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 09:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much for the review. :) Tkbrett (✉) 12:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

• Tkbrett ✓ Pass now, you have understandable reasons for not fully implementing certain suggestions! --K. Peake 07:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)