Talk:Censor bars

Discussion from my user page

OccupyNipplesSuperBowlXLVI.jpg is not self-promotion; it's a clever example of co-optation (along the lines of the graphics of the on-line anti-SOPA protests). Furthermore, it's not my project. I'm a guy —no one's interested in my nipples! kencf0618 (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

You'd be surprised. Any rate, my apologies. You linked to a Facebook page, and I assumed "Occupy Nipples" was an avant garde group at your college, or something of that nature. I usually revert additions of Facebook links without much thought, unless the connection for the page is blindingly obvious. Go ahead and revert back, if you'd like. I don't understand your reason for adding it though. Maybe that's just my problem. --Quintucket (talk) 08:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd added it because it was a clever and sexy example of agitprop. That said, I believe that Censor bars deserves an article of its own because they are an artifact, and arguably the iconic artifact, of censorship. They are mostly used in text, and occasionally in video, whereas pixelization is used only in video and photography and not within bodies of text. Both are used as redaction and sanitization techniques, but they should be parsed apart a bit IMHO. kencf0618 (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. I'm an inclusionist, and don't really care what you add except where biographies of living persons are concerned. But if you don't want an edit war with Delicious carbuncle, you should probably make sure you de-coatrack it (no emphasis on SOPA), and provide more sources than TV tropes and Facebook. (User-generated sources aren't well looked on at Wikipedia.) --Quintucket (talk) 16:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm copying this here, as a reference (more dicussion took place in the revision history). This is the discussion Kencf0618 referred to when he restored the article. I'd like to note that this article currently has less information than the section at pixelization does, and I'm not certain it is sufficiently distinct from pixelization, but like I said, I don't really care. If Ken thinks this can become an article, we ought to give it time. I'll also note that I recall an episode of Freaks and Geeks in which Sam Weir was forced to run nude through the hallway, and his genitals covered with a smiley face, and I seem to recall something similar in an episode of That '70s Show (though I only watched the first two or three seasons, when they were on air, which was a long time ago). —Quintucket (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Similarly a local neo-burlesque/cirque novelle troupe, The Red Light Variety Show, of which I am a sponsor, had a production called Blacklisted a couple of years ago, and at one point the girls came out clad only in censor bars. Alas, no photos are on-line... Occupy Nipples (viz. OccupyNipplesSuperBowlXLVI.jpg) started out as a prank and then became something more, albeit within the ambit of Facebook. I don't want to be accused of WP:COI or, God forbid, WP:SOAPBOX, but the use of censor bars in satire is in and of itself soap-boxing, agitprop, advocacy, call it what you will. Indeed, I first started the article because I noticed that censor bars were the graphic device of choice for websites which participated in the Protests against SOPA and PIPA. Historically I suspect that their provenance dates back to the establishment of the United States Intelligence Community, if not the formal military censorship practices of WWII and WWI (and literary ellipses, for that matter), but as you say we need to give it time. A peremptory redirect is a fait accompli which accomplishes nothing. kencf0618 (talk) 06:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I note that other than one mild attempt at vandalism, the article has remained up for a week essentially unchanged and unchallenged, so it seems solid. It's had enough time to have a track record. kencf0618 (talk) 03:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Best image(s) to go with for article

Since there are multiple free images available for Censor bars ([1], [2]), [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc.) should we display several images (for various censor bar usage) or just a single image? If a single image, which image is best to go with?--StvFetterly(Edits) 14:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

If you want to be minimalistic, then for our purposes the German nude and the 1965 FBI surveillance photograph are arguably sufficient, particularly given that you can click through to the larger realms of (text) redaction, classified information, and censorship. But if any fellow inclusionists want to set up a proper gallery of this particular censorship method, go right ahead! It is a venerable artifact of censorship which deserves illustration, and one which has been in use for decades, after all. kencf0618 (talk) 18:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea, I've added a small gallery to illustrate the various ways that people have used censor bars with some of the better images.--StvFetterly(Edits) 20:17, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Excellent work! And I think it'll pass muster, too! kencf0618 (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I've just realized that we haven't an example of censor bars which are used to protect the identity of minors and other innocents in police photography; they are placed over the eyes to render them anonymous, or at least nominally so. kencf0618 (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I can't seem to find any images with the bar over eyes on the Commons, but I'll keep a look out for other censor bar images.--StvFetterly(Edits) 14:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I haven't found any either, but I'll keep an eye out. kencf0618 (talk) 03:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Pornography?

    "Censor bars"...... are used in.....pornography......

I have removed this. What's the point in pornography if it's gonna be censored? :|

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