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Reviewer: Jappalang (talk) 08:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:  
    Mostly clear with some issues
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:  
    See comments about the Media section below
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:  
    Most of the sources, a mix of primary and secondary, seem to be reliable (secondary publications or straight from the producers), but there are some concerns per below.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:  
    See comments below
    C. No original research:  
    {{#if:See comments below|See comments below|}
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:  
    The article is predominantly a list of release dates; to me, information on the background and making of the series seem little compared to the release schedules.
    B. Focused:  
    The release dates and listings of title proves overwhelming to me, making the article seem like a list of such material (in prose form) instead.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:  
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:  
    See comments below
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:  
    See comments below
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:  
    On hold to discuss if the issues can be resolved


Lede

  • "To avoid copyright issues with the name Detective Conan, ..."
    This is plainly false. Please point out where in that FAQ did it say this was due to possible infringement of copyright.
  • Reworded to what the FAQ says.
  • "The manga ... has reached its twentieth season."
    Mangas do not go into seasons.
  • Fixed.
  • "A fifteenth movie and a third live action drama are in production and slated to premier in spring 2011."
    I am not enamored with having to write about something that has not yet bee completed and could be canceled/stopped at any time. I believe such "up to the hour" updates violate WP:NEWS, but it seems I am in the minority so I am not going to beleaguer this.
  • Fixed.
  • "... polls between 1996 until 2001, when it dropped below the top twenty."
    "Between ... and ..."; since such a change would not fit with the later clause, please rephrase.
  • Fixed.
  • "Both manga and anime have had positive response from critics for its mysteries."
    Mysteries in the subjects themselves or the stories they portray?
  • Fixed.

Plot

  • "... prodigy and who frequently worked with ..."
  • Fixed.
  • "However, when visiting a carnival one day, ..."
    Drop "however"; there is no contradictory information referenced by this sentence to the previous.
  • Fixed.
  • "... two members of a mysterious crime syndicate, the Black Organization, ..."
    No point in being so mysterious about them to the readers, just move the later revelation to here.
  • Fixed.
  • "... a newly developed experimental poison ..."
    Cumbersome, "an experimental poison" would suffice to inform the layman. While we are at it, just say "an experimental poison, APTX 4869," per above regarding mystery writing.
  • Fixed.
  • "... instead of killing him, the drug transformed his body into that of a child."
    "... the drug transformed his body into that of a child instead of killing him."
    Too many commas break the reading flow.
  • Fixed.
  • "In order to hide his identity so he can investigate the whereabouts of the syndicate, revealed to be called the Black Organization, he adopts the pseudonym Conan Edogawa."
    "He hid his identity to investigate the Black Organization by adopting the pseudonym Conan Edogawa."
  • Fixed.
  • "... he manages to moves in with his childhood friend Rachel Moore, ..." He did or did not.
  • Fixed.
  • "... but does not question this as he is more than glad about his subsequent rise in fame."
    This seems interpretative. Source?
  • Removed.
  • "Soon after the sightings of the presumed deceased FBI agent Shuichi Akai garners the attention of both the FBI and the Black Organization."
    Incomplete sentence: what happens soon after the sightings had attracted attention?
  • Removed, it was a minor plot development.

Production

  • The section seems largely made up of repetitive information in the later sections. Trim those away from here or from there.
  • I cut out the whole first paragraph so no information is repeated.

Manga

  • "Viz Media announced its licensing the series on June 1, 2004, ..."
    This sentence and content is the same as that in Production, which is just the earlier section. Trim it; either here or there, not in both. Do not repeat information in such a close interval.
  • Fixed.
  • I find it pointless and an overload of information to list all the translations (with publishing house names). It would suffice to select three widely-different languages and rephrase to state that the franchise has spread widely, e.g. "The manga has been translated and locally published in several other countries across the world, such as in China, Germany, and Indonesia." or such.
  • Well, if it interferes with the GA criteria, I will rephrase it if you insist.

Anime

  • First sentence is repetitive of information in the nearby earlier Production.
  • Fixed.
  • There seems to be little content of note in this section. What differentiates the animation from the manga? Is there anything different? It seems to me a listing of what media the anime is on and its broadcast schedule. There is little on what the anime is, how it was produced, and such.
    • On re-reading, it seems my above observation is shaped by the current content. I noticed that more pertinent information are being squeezed out of focus by overly detailed release notices (case of WP:UNDUE in progress?). Perhaps the release details should be summarized and more information on what I requested above should be located.
  • I added everything that could be found about the anime, this is it.
  • What is a "Viridian edition"?
  • Rephrased.

Films

  • "Fourteen feature films have been released based on the Case Closed series."
    "Fourteen feature films based on the Case Closed series have been released."
  • Fixed.
  • "... and films eight and onwards ..."
  • "... and the eighth film onwards ..."
  • Fixed.
  • "Each film features an original plot line rather than being an adaptation of a story from the manga."
    Source?
  • I'm unsure how to source this besides noting that the plot line in the manga and films are entirely different themselves. I could remove this sentence if necessary.
  • I just removed the statement.
  • "The latest second was ..."
  • Again there seem to be a lack of information on the nature and context of these films (budget for example), release information pre-dominates...
  • I'm unsure what kind of other information would be needed for the films. Not alot of production info exists for them. There is box office information which I would rather have it go on the "list of film" articles.
  • I could not find the budget of the films but have included a short summary about the films being one of Japan's highest grossing animation films.

Original video animations

  • Stopped here as I felt it would be more of the same above.

Reception

  • totaled to over
  • Fixed.
  • "... that mid-twenty Japanese citizens in their mid-twenties ..."
  • Fixed.
  • "... appreciated that the series's appeal is able to captivate readers of all ages."
  • Fixed.
  • "... stating it was a step back."
    Why is it a "step back"?
  • Fixed.
  • "... a mix between of ..."
  • Fixed.
  • List of quotes without going into the "why"s behind the reviewers' opinions.
  • Working on.
Fixed I think.

Sources

  • Why is The Comic Book Bin link archived when the archived link does not work, but the original does? Furthermore, considering that the Comic Book Bin allows anyone to submit articles without prejudice or evaluation of content,[1][2] what makes them a reliable source? Or is there a case for Leroy Douresseaux as an expert journalist/reviewer/expert acknowledged by the comic book industry?
  • Fixed. Removed all sources
  • The same for the articles from MangaLife
  • Fixed. Removed all sources
  • There are a few books that are about or have referenced the subject.[3] Why are they (especially Takuya Furukawa and Tim Gene's The Case Closed Casebook: An Essential Guide) not referenced?
    • Takuya Furkawa's Case Closed guide was all about plot and would not add to the article in my opinion. The other sources also did not add much either.
      • I do not agree the guide is "all about plot". The Introduction section yields a bit information behind the launch of the series (notably how it was to capitalize on the Kindaichi craze that was sweeping through Japan then but ended up out enduring the craze setter itself). The various story and character analysis can be used to source information about the plot and character designs (there was even comments on why Moore accepted credit for Conan's solving of the cases). I also disagree that other sources would not add much; even brief mentions can help to flesh the article further, plugging in missing information. Masanao Amano and Julius Wiedemann's Manga Design gives a brief of how the story works (its structure), which is not mentioned in this article. John Berra's Directory of World Cinema: Japan states the Detective Conan films are one of the "sure-fire" hits that allow Toho to gamble on live-action films (hence, explaining why Toho would produce such animation). Michael Keane's Created in China: the great new leap forward has a table that shows the animation series as one of the Top 15 animated cartoon (by airtime) in China. There also appears to be Japanese publications that analyze the series, viewership figures, interviews, etc.[4][5][6] The point is that information for one big article do not just come in big chunks; sometimes, we have to piece them together from bits and pieces from here and there. Jappalang (talk) 09:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • I added the information about how the series was created during the mystery hype. I plan on adding the storyline structure to the manga section later.
  • Thanks for the book sources. I've added some in, and would include the Japanese analysis if I could understand it.
  • As far as I know, several questions on the Reliable sources/Noticeboard have come to a decision that About.com is a situational source. Using their articles as sources depends on the reliability of their authors; i.e. the site is "unreliable" but the author might be a usable source. It all depends on whether the industry considers the authors as experts, often quoting them or using them as reliable sources of information. So what qualifies the authors of the About.com articles referenced in here as experts? Jappalang (talk) 09:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • I have no clue how to justify this but her profile says she's been a reviewer for 15 years.
  • I removed all about.com sources.

Images

  • File:Detective Conan Drama Cast.png: Violation of WP:NFCC #8—nothing in the image is critically commented on in the article; i.e. no where in the article was there anything about the appearances of the cast and cartoon characters that requires illustration for further understanding. The FUR also states the image is for decorative purposes (to show a cast).
  • Removed.
  • File:Conan and Kindaichi Magazine.png: No contextual significance; nothing is discussed in this article that requires this image for further understanding. The collaboration is clearly understandable from words alone, and the FUR clearly shows this as decorative (to show a cover).
  • Removed.
  • File:Hokuei Town Conan Bridge.jpg: Violation of FoP. Focus is on the character and the nameplate, not of the bridge. Photographs of copyrighted artistic works in Japan are only permitted for non-commercial purposes.
  • Removed.

I think there is a fairly substantial amount of issues with the article with regards to the GA criteria; however, I am willing to give the 7-days offer for the nominator to attempt to resolve them. Jappalang (talk) 08:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the review. I will continue assessing the problems stated. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 11:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
To reply to certain above queries and expound on my concerns, the following is what I expect of a GA on this franchise.
  • What is Case Closed, when was it created, who created it, why did he create it?
  • Should this be expanded in the lead? I have the what, premier date, and who and the why is in the production section.
  • I feel like these have been addressed in the media section. Any suggestions to what I missed?
  • What is the general story line of Case Closed?
  • Is the plot lacking in some way?
  • A general plot of what happened (major storylines) till now would do; however, the current plot seems to be dangling (Kir informs the FBI of somebody, so what? Is this character some one ) One big question pops into mind though. Does Conan plan to cure his condition, or is his aim simply to investigate and expose Black Organization? It would help to know what the goal of the protagonist/author is and craft the plot along that theme. Jappalang (talk) 07:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • I've rewritten the plot and tried to emphasis the daily life component.
  • I have copy-edited a bit; per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), I tried to avoid talking about things in the past tense. Take a look and see if it is all right. To note, is my "He intends to pretend to be a child until he can find enough evidence to apprehend the syndicate, after which he can then safely find and administer a cure for his current condition." accurate and does Conan voice it anywhere in the manga? Jappalang (talk) 12:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • Yes this is correct. Thank you for fixing the summary.
  • Who are the main characters? On what basis were they created?
  • I actually could not find any conception reasons for the main characters. If it exists it might be found in the manga volumes which I do not have access to.
  • What is the industry acknowledged theme of the series?
  • I was unable to find this information.
  • (as a franchise), what materials have been produced, why were they produced,
  • I was unable to find this information.
  • How does the franchise fare among the audience? Critical reception?
  • I'm also unsure how to cover this besides searching for more reviews.
  • I could not find any other studies done by industries besides the ones included in the reception section. Would reorganizing the reception section address this? The current organization is "Manga statistic, manga review, anime statistic, anime review, series popularity with government". DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 05:40, 23 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Some points might be skimped or left out if no reliable sources are available but the main points should still be covered. A big issue in my view is that the current article is mainly a list of "title so and so was released on when". I feel articles on a manga/anime should be mainly concerned with informing readers on what the title is about, how it came into conception, and what sort of impact it had (hence, the guides above). If one is going for FA level, I would expect:
  • Art style
  • Influences
  • Summary of in-depth character studies
  • Specific in-depth study of themes
  • Sales figures
  • Break down of reception per demography and region
  • Thanks, this will be useful.
It would not hurt to include these details while going for GA, but they are not necessary (since GA is for "broad" based coverage rather than "comprehensive"). Jappalang (talk) 09:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Assessed some problems. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 11:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Note that I have left some items unstruck as I am pondering the direction of this review and the degree of my involvement (whether I would be too deeply involved in the contents of the article to be objectively detached to give a fair assessment of it). Jappalang (talk) 12:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, the article has improved due to your opinions. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 00:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Apologies for the long pause (I was figuring what shape I think the article should have in light of what I said above). The following is an incomplete example of what I was hammering out as I read the article in its current state.

Suggested structure

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Plot

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[Pretty much what is in there now]

Characters

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[Optional... the context of the main characters, although Conan seems to be well introduced in Plot, can be here with some design information]

Manga

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In 1994, the Japanese manga market was experiencing a craze with the mystery genre after the publishing of the Kindaichi Case Files series. Gosho Aoyama began drawing Meitantei Conan at this time during the craze; the first chapter of his work appeared in Shogakukan's Weekly Shonen Sunday on February 2. He cites Arsène Lupin (a fictional thief), Sherlock Holmes (fictional detective), and the samurai films by Akira Kurosawa as influences on his work.

Aoyama says he spends an average of four hours for each new case in his manga; a more complicated story can take more than twelve hours. Each case spans several chapters, and is resolved at the end where characters explain the details of their solutions in simple terms. Aoyama tries to keep the language simple to help his readers follow the story.

Meitantei Conan outlasted the mystery genre craze, becoming the 24th longest running manga series. More than 700 chapters have been published in Shonen Sunday and collected in a series of tankobons; as of February 2011, 71 volumes have been released. Aoyama's assistants have written and published 36 volumes of side stories about the world of the boy detective as well.

The manga has been licensed for publishing across the world in countries such as China, France, Indonesia, and Finland. In the United States, it is published by Viz Media, who obtained the license on June 1, 2004. As of February 2011, Viz has released 37 volumes of the manga under the name Case Closed.

Franchise

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As Meitantei Conan gained popularity in Japan, it became a franchise for Aoyama and Shogakukan. The boy detective appeared in cinemas and games, and on television, and stationary.

TV animation
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The anime version of Meitantei Conan is produced by Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation (YTC) and TMS Entertainment. Directed by Kenji Kodama and Yasuichiro Yamamoto, Conan's cases have been adapted into 25-minute episodes. More than 600 episodes have aired in Japan since the anime's premiere on January 8, 1996. These episodes are also available in North America on NHK's cable network TV Japan. Initially, Shogakukan collected and released the episodes on VHS video cassettes. Four hundred and twenty-six episodes were released on VHS until Shogakukan abandoned the format and switched over to DVDs, starting from the first episode.

There were also animated adaptations targeted for the home video market (original video animations, OVAs). These were produced by YTC, TMS, and Nippon Television. These OVAs contain extracts from the regular series or original content. One OVA, ????????, reveals the origin of the Phantom Thief Kid, a thief who looks similar to Kudo and is several times the target of Kudo's investigations. There was also a two-hour television special in 2009 that featured a crossover between the series and Lupin the 3rd, in which Kudo investigates the death of a queen while the thief Arsène Lupin III attempts to steal her crown.

In 2003, the first 104 episodes of the regular animation series were licensed by Funimation Entertainment for distribution in North America. Funimation dubbed the series in English and released it under the name Case Closed because of "legal considerations". The initial broadcast under Cartoon Network's Adult Swim programming block received low ratings and no more than 50 episodes were licensed from Funimation. Funimation later broadcast their work on their Funimation Channel, which was launched in November 2005. They also released DVDs of their dubbed series, including later additions; as of 2009, they have released 130 episodes dubbed in English. A separate English adaptation of the series by Animax Asia premiered in the Philippines on January 18, 2006, under the name Detective Conan. Because Animax were unable to obtain further TV broadcast rights, their version comprised 52 episodes.

Films
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[Common themes; the art; other than noting the first film's release date, there is not much need for the rest; any notable, in terms of real world context, films among the lot; total revenues or such, allowing further justification of below item] The films proved to provide good returns for Toho Studios, allowing them to experiment with other movies that might ...

Live adaptations
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[More about the adaptations with context, right now it feels a scanty list of non-notable personnel and broadcast schedule]

Games
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Meitantei Conan's expansion into the video games industry followed behind its foray into animation. On December 27, 1996, ????????? was released for the Game Boy, Nintendo's hand-held console. It was an adventure game, in which the player controls Kudo and gang in their murder investigations. Over the next 15 years, more than 14 such adventure games have been released for the Game Boy and Sony's Playstation consoles. Namco Bandai Holdings and Banpresto developed most of the games, which were released only in Japan. An exception was Case Closed: The Mirapolis Investigation, which was localized for the PAL region.

In North America, Score Entertainment published the Case Closed Trading Card Game on June 29, 2005. The game entails the use of three customized decks of cards, which players buy and collect. Representing characters, events, and objects in Case Closed, these cards are used by players to fulfill certain conditions to solve a case and win the game. Certain cards are used to foil the progress of the player's opponents.

Merchandise
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[toys, the children books, etc just to give a context of how broad the franchise has spread]

Reception

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[Pretty much what is in the article could do at the moment]

In my opinion, this sort of structure and focus on the general essentials eliminates the "listy" product release schedule. I am not certain how you feel about this or if this would be acceptable by involved Wikiprojects and such. I am also a bit concerned on whether my suggestion is beyond what a GA reviewer should do (hence I have requested opinions at WT:GAN#Beyond the call of duty?). Jappalang (talk) 03:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

I think {{Main}} should not be used to link to the Lists in those subsections; {{Details}} or {{See also}} would be better choices in my opinion. Jappalang (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
I will get to it tonight. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 21:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
I've took some of your suggestions and applied them; some dates in the anime section has been snubbed and the manga has been cut down; I kept the production section since the MoS for this project requires one. I think the two sections are adequate now. For the film section, I'm still unsure what the tidbit means. It sounded like the films helped Toho fund future live actions films. I left the film section as is but many the film comic dates should be changed if there is too many dates in the article. As for the game section, I also kept it the way it is since the current one covers all the developers and which game console they developed the games for. I left the remaining dates in the article since they seem important. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 07:41, 6 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Yes, the films were said to help fund Toho;s other projects (thus, the importance of the animated films to the studio). I disagree with having the current amount of dates and products; I hope I have clarified my concerns on them below (after focusing on Reception to have at least something to continue with than to halt everything on just issues with Media). Jappalang (talk) 03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Regarding "the production section since the MoS for this project requires one", the project's MOS states at the very start of that section: "Article structure should be flexible and responsive to unique or exceptional aspects of individual subjects, but the following guidelines should suffice in most cases." It is not compulsory to follow what is presented (that is a general recommendation), if one can find a better structure and back it with convincing explanations, then one should adopt a different structure. Jappalang (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Selected issues on Reception (03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC))
  • "In a survey for Japan's top selling manga in 2008, Case Closed volumes 61, 62, and 63 ranked 25th, 28th, and 45th respectively and totaled over 160,000 volumes sold. In a survey during the first half of 2009, volume 64 ranked 16th; and in the first half of 2010, volume 67 ranked 18th."
    Those are not surveys; they are best selling charts. In any case, these information are overly detailed and lacking in significance when firstly, it is already mentioned that the manga made it to top selling lists frequently, and secondly, with 70+ volumes over 17 years, it is a bit narrow to focus on 3 volumes in 2008.
    Volume 61 sold 626,445 volumes, so how can total sales in 2001 "totaled over 160,000 volumes"? In any case, this 2008 sales figure focus also seems insignificant for the reasons mentioned earlier.
    Did Case Closed only make it to NYT's list of best selling manga in 2010?
  • "He expressed disappointed that Viz Media had instituted character name changes."
    Note the typo. Furthermore, Chavez's opinions are expressed in such general terms that it begs explanation (why was he disappointed by the changes in the names? I think I brought this up previously?).
  • How reliable is PopCultureShock?[7] I do not think it is quite often relied by the mass media as a source, is it?
  • "The tenth to fourteenth films were all nominated ..."
    There are five films (10, 11, 12, 13, 14) mentioned, but only four sources.
  • "The Blu-ray Disc release of the thirteenth film was awarded the Best Interactivity Award by Digital Entertainment Group Japan."
    I am not really certain this (interactivity) is significant in the context of the franchise. It is tangent to the meat of the franchise (characters, stories, etc).
  • "Due to its high popularity, several Japanese government agencies had used the series to promote crime fighting."
    This sentence structure would mean the "several Japanese government agencies" enjoyed "high popularity". Is this what is intended?
    Is vigilantism promoted as "crime fighting" might suggest?
    The source (ANN) does not mention anything about "high popularity" or "several ... agencies", just the police.
  • "... Smile Touch (スマイルタッチ, Sumairu Tacchi?) ..."
    MOS:FOREIGN: why is a product with a proper English name transliterated here? Why is a Japanese source used here when an English version is available?[8]
  • "Case Closed is also one of the anime series available for Smile Touch, the anime touch tablet for pediatrics."
    What is so significant about this tablet when compared to all the other merchandise out there? In other words, why is this mentioned in Reception instead of in Media? "One of the anime series available for Smile Touch" does not really convey the meaning that the series is there as short films (it is ambiguous in that one might think Case Closed is one of the themes that can decorate the device).
  • "Bronze statues of Jimmy Kudo, Conan Edogawa, and Rachel Moore are found throughout Hokuei, Tottori."
    Without stating what relation Hokuei has to these characters, this sentence comes off as trivial (lacking in significance). http://www.conan-town.jp/contents/sec2_6.htm states it as his home town. Furthermore, there is a museum that shows off his works.[9]
Suggested rewrite of Reception (03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC))

Meitantei Conan has sold more than 120 million volumes of manga in Japan; individual volumes frequently appear on the lists of best-selling manga there. It won the 46th Shogakukan Manga Award for the shōnen category in 2001, and respondents in an online poll for Japanese citizens in their mid-twenties voted Meitantei Conan as one of the top three manga they wanted to continue running in publication. In France, the series was nominated for the Angoulême Festival Graphic Novel award among the Japanese selection. In the United States, Case Closed received praises from Mania.com's Eduardo M. Chavez and IGN's A. E. Sparrow for its stories—telling the mysteries and how they were unfolded by the investigations of Conan and gang. Sparrow called the style of the series a mix of Scooby-Doo and Sherlock Holmes, while Chavez believed the manga had appeal to readers of all ages. (negatives?)

The animated adaptation of the series was also popular in Japan, appearing in the top six of Japanese TV Rankings at various times. The television series ranked among the top twenty in polls conducted by anime magazine Animage from 1996 to 2001. It also placed better than twenty-third in polls for the top-one-hundred anime conducted by Japanese television network TV Asahi in 2005–06. The series recieved considerable airtime in China; it was the second most broadcasted animation there in 2004. Several of the franchise's films were nominated for awards in their home country. The ninth film was nominated for the feature film category at the 5th Annual Tokyo Anime Awards, and the next five films were nominees for the Japan Academy Prize for Animation of the Year in their respective years of release.

In the United States, the dubbed series faced several negative reactions toward its changes to localize the content for North American audiences. Jeffrey Harris of IGN found it pointless to change the names of the characters, and Anime News Network's Carl Kimlinger said that the changes of certain Japanese cultural references rendered several parts of the mysteries and their investigation illogical. The voiceovers proved to be a mixed bag for Carlo Santos, who reviewed the first DVD release of Case Closed for Anime News Network; he said that while the main characters sounded like "real people", the secondary ones "[came] off as caricatures". Lori Lancaster of Mania.com described Case Closed as "a clever series that had mysteries at every corner", noting the "bizarre" and "interesting" nature of each case. IGN's Chris Wyatt was positive to the manner the cases were set up, relating them to Agatha Christie's "closed room" mysteries. He described the series as "Inspector Gadget meets Law & Order but in an anime style." His colleague, Harris, however, expressed annoyance with repetitive elements in the show (such as the murderers' reactions as Conan exposes their misdeeds) and the "contrived" methods the series uses to keep Conan's identity a secret from certain characters.

In 2006, the Japanese government used Conan in campaigns to help promote crime awareness among children. Targeting the same audience, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs used Conan and his gang in two pamphlets: one to promote the ministry's mission, the other to introduce the 34th G8 summit held in the country in 2010. Several characters in the series featured in the sixth installment of the Anime, Heroes and Heroines commemorative stamp series issued by Japan Post in 2006. Aoyama and his creations are celebrated in his hometown (Hokuei, Tottori); a museum with exhibits of his work is located there, and several bronze statues of Jimmy Kudo, Conan Edogawa, and Rachel Moore are installed in various locations throughout the town.

Clarification of concern on Media (03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC))
  • On a screen 1280 pixels wide, the Media section takes up 3.5 screens. Reception is slightly less than 1 screen, while Plot and Production together also takes up slightly less than a screen. All this points to a significant imbalance in content, especially when the Media section is (still) mostly a list of products and their release dates without context on their significance; in other words, a list of products and their schedules is outweighing information about the subject's development and perception among the people. WP:UNDUE WP:TOPIC comes into play here (and hence the issue on Focus). Jappalang (talk) 03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • To further guide the discussion above, what is the point and context of listing these many individual products (and their release dates). How does this aid the reader in understanding Case Closed? Jappalang (talk) 07:53, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I'll will go through this once I have spare time. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
I will be addressing the issues today. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 05:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Taking your build for the reception has solved most of the issues in it. I combined the production and manga into one section. I kept under the media heading instead of franchise and plan on keeping the video games and card games separate. I've done what I can for now. As for the anime section, I'm still hesitant on cutting out the English broadcast information. I can combine the OVA and television special into the anime section if needed though. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Jappalang seems to be on a wikibreak, so if this is still on hold after a couple more days I'll conclude the review. I can't imagine I'll find any issues after the detailed review that has already been given. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:43, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I had serious issues in my life (a bit alleviated now). I understand this review is getting a bit long in the tooth (and that the article waited a long time for a reviewer as well).
  • Most of the media section have been re-organized per above comments; the following two, however, stands out clearly as untouched.

Audio CDs

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  • "Twenty-one original soundtrack CDs were produced by Polydor Records ..." is incorrect; Zain Records, Beagle, and others released some as well...
  • Aga-search is a database on a fan-site; what makes this a reliable source? As far as I can tell, they transpose the track lists from Amazon.jp (=>what is listed on Aga-search is as reliable as Amazon). However, just like how we should cite a magazine that is quoted by a fansite rather than the fansite, perhaps we should be citing to Amazon instead (and thus avoid possible future scenario of having other editors misunderstand that all contents on Aga-search are reliable).
    • Replaced all Aga-searchs. They were an easy way to ref large amounts of items.


  • Some repetitive elements (the themes released as singles in the second and third paragraph); heavy list-of-release-date feeling; overuse of foreign names (I believe the eyes of most readers would gloss over those long foreign words that are meaningless to them).
  • A summary of the most significant reaction to the music would be appreciated here.
  • Suggestion: "Katsuo Ohno <--consistency issue: Infobox states Ono...--> composed and arranged the music in the Case Closed animation. Twenty-one CDs of Ohno's work have been compiled as of 2011; each film in the franchise has its own soundtrack, and compilations of the themes (opening, closing, character, etc) in the TV episodes number seven CDs. Several themes were performed by pop musicians such as B'z, xxxxxxxx, yyyyyy <--really notable performers, 3 examples max-->. Two image albums, comprising several songs sung by Japanese voice actors of the characters in the animation, were also released. All together, 78 theme songs from the Case Closed series have been released: 29 opening themes, 35 ending themes, and 14 themes from the films. Several of these themes were also sold as singles. <--"released" feels repetitive here... but word choice seems limited here-->"
    • Taking the suggestion seems to have solved most of the issues above.


TV drama

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  • The structure is very repetitive; it proves to be a list turned into prose (title of show, airing date, cast, release of media). There is also the ambiguity of "were produced by Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation" and "both produced by Masahiro Kunimoto and Akira Miyagawa": who exactly produced them? The key concern is to write this out in a manner that presents key information to the reader (What are these drama? Who is involved? Why are they important? How are these drama significant?).

Sorry for the tardiness. Jappalang (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Further comments by Jappalang (talk) 03:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC):Reply

  • The section is now "TV live-action"; is the hyphen supposed to be there in this case?
  • I think it might be better to omit the non-notable staff (without links or whose articles may not pass under WP:ENT and WP:GNG). There would be a good case to mention them if their involvements with the drama are so notable that more information could be written, but that is not the case.
  • Some of the links for this subsection are outdated, and I am not sure Allcinema (a 10 mil yen or USD120k site started by Stingray) is reliable; regardless, the links do not back up the plot information since they only give staff information. Story information can be backed up by primary sources (the DVDs or episodes if there are no interpretations of events), but I have found some links below that could be used as sources.
  • Again, like WP:NOTNEWS, I think mention of the third special should be pared down; i.e. avoid the details and just stated it is planned for 2011. More can be integrated (and the section reshaped) once it has been released and more information is available.

Suggestion:

In 2006, a live-action drama focusing on Jimmy Kudo was aired by Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation (YTC) to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the manga's first publication. Another episode was aired in the following year. These TV specials were produced by YTC and TMS, and featured award-winning actors; Shun Oguri portrayed the teenage Kudo, and Takanori Jinnai was cast as Richard Moore. Both dramas were released on DVDs after their broadcast on television. A third special is planned for release in 2011.
The dramas present stories in which Jimmy Kudo investigates mysteries in his teenage form. The scenario of the first drama, xxxxx, takes place before Kudo's ingestion of APTX 4869 and is about an abduction case on board a cruise ship.[10][11] In the second drama, yyyyy, Kudo returns to his teenage form after eating a certain cake and has to protect Miyano, who likewise has returned to her adult state, from the Black Organization.[12]

-- Jappalang (talk) 03:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

  • "... Takanori Jinnai as Richard Moore and Tomoka Kurokawa was cast as Rachel Moore."
    As far as I can tell (from Wikipedia's article and her homepage), Tomoka Kurokawa is not an award-winning actress, and she does not really "have significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Rachel Moore seems to be her only (co-)lead role. Jappalang (talk) 12:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Sources

We are getting close to finishing this off. Jappalang (talk) 12:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Okay, it has been a long time, but this is now a Good Article. Jappalang (talk) 05:00, 1 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

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