Talk:California State University, Los Angeles/Archive 1

Archive 1

Highest ranked

"Cal State L.A. is the highest ranked California institution conferring bachelor's degrees on Hispanics."

Literally this sentence means there is no higher ranked institituion that awards degrees upon hispanics. This is of course un true. I think, it is meant to say, "CSULA confers more bachelors degrees to hispanics then any other California College or University."

Is this correct? --SAUNDERS 07:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right. Why don't we make the assumption that so you can go ahead and make the change. If we're wrong we can correct it later. Thanks for catching the error. Cheers, -Willmcw 08:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Greek Life

The Greek section is too bloated...UCLA and USC each have a far more extensive and famous Greek systems yet they are hardly mentioned at all in their respective articles..some of the frat seals at the beginning oughta be trimmed at least. Jarwulf 08:04, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes we should trim it a bit. But I don't nessecarily know what to trim. --fpo 15:12, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

There is an entire article on the CSULA Greek System. It is well written, but the subject lacks the feel of an independant article. Consider merging it with this one and setting up a redirect using the #section tag. --Jayron32 03:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reads like a brochure

Many parts of this article read like a brochure and lack any semblance of objectivity. For instance it is mentioned that

"The campus is a good place to relax or study. There are different places inside the campus where they serve food and coffee. Some of the fast foods that are located in CSULA are El Pollo Loco, Carl's Jr., Rice Garden and Kikka Sushi. Many students come to the cafes located inside the campus after class and interact with other fellow students. The new $30 million University-Student Union building that is under construction scheduled to be completed on September 2007, will also be a good place for students to come and relax after classes."

The idea that the campus is a good place to relax or study is both a matter of opinion and almost completely inaccurate by most students' and faculty members' accounts (yes, I am using anecdotal evidence, appealing to the majority, shoot me why don't you). I really do wonder who edits this page. SubXerox 05:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

SubXerox why are you coming here and criticizing people who contributed, but you in the other hand did not contribut anyhting in this article. If you find that the informtion is wrong then try to fix it and make it look better. Not come here and criticize other users. ROOB323 23:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Out of respect for the original authors, I don't like generally like to edit the works of others. In this case however, at your suggestion, I have made an exception to this policy.SubXerox 11:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Poor photo quality

The image of the CSULA Physical Sciences Building, as well as the images in the gallery, have really bad lighting. I can't see them at all. Does anybody have better versions of these photos? Bry9000 (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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WP CSU

Hello, I noticed your recent edits and thought you might want to become a member of the California State University WikiProject. We've recently revamped the project page and started a drive to improve California State University-related articles. We have a lot of articles under our project and would like assistance getting them to good article status. Hope you'll join us. Go STATE!

--Dabackgammonator (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Serves LA metropolitan area, not Greater Los Angeles

CSULA does not serve the Greater LA area because it does not serve San Bernardino, Riverside or Ventura counties. They each have their own CSU. CSU San Bernardino serves SB-Riverside counties, CSU Channel Islands serves Ventura. CSULA serves the LA metropolitan area. House1090 (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yet, it has a metrolink station on the San Bernardino Line! Somehow, I don't think those students using the metrolink from SB county haven't heard they can't attend CSULA because there is another CSU in their area, lol. Amerique^dialectics 22:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yet, the San Bernardino line serves the LA metropolitan area, umm interesting? I am pretty sure you have not yet heard of campus wide impaction have you? Amerique just incase you dont know, or others you may want to take a look at what it is here : [1]. Its about CSUSB declaring campus impaction. House1090 (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Standards may be tighter these days, but a CA resident can still get into any CSU, provided they can make the cut. The relatively high # of non-resident and foreign students at long impacted CSUs such as Long Beach and San Diego would suggest that, in Table 55 of this pdf:[2]. No data on CA regional enrollments per CSU, alas. Amerique^dialectics 22:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay so it serves California in general, not only GLAA or LA metropolitan area, so that sentence should be deleted. House1090 (talk) 22:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

If you do a modicum of research, you'll find two things: a) that the overwhelming majority of CSULA students come from greater Los Angeles; b) that campus impaction limits numbers of students admitted, but does not create geographical boundaries and c) that CSU campuses do not have delineated service or catchment areas. After ELAc, the community college sending the largest number of students to CSULA is Mount San Antonio College, which is within shouting distance of Cal Poly Pomona. Moreover, you're overlooking the overlapping potential service areas of Cal Poly Pomona, CSU Dominguez Hills, CSU Northridge and CSU Long Beach. In addition, not all of Riverside County students attend CSUSB; many go to CSU San Marcos or CSU Fullerton, depending on where they are. CSULA even draws students from the Palmdale/Lancaster area, given its closer than CSU Bakersfield.

A second issue is program availability. CSULA has a nursing program with a national reputation that draws students from all over the country, and a program in urban education that's one of a kind. And that doesn't consider the various engineering programs that participate in the Solar Eagle project, all of which draw students on a national basis. Bottom line: you're using the model of a typical school district to assume service areas for individual campuses, with no sourcing to support it. That's original research and as such, doesn't belong in the article. Greater Los Angeles is a more inclusive term that covers the LA basin, and more accurately reflects the area from which it draws the majority of its students. Drmargi (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Well then it could be change to serving Southern California in general. Besides, I am not sure you understand the term Greater Los Angeles (GLA) correctly. GLA is LA, Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Not just the LA basin. House1090 (talk) 00:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

You really need to watch how you word things, and learn to assume good faith on the part of other editors, particularly given your history. You assume the Wikipedia definition of greater LA is the only one, which is far from the case. Of the three terms, greater Los Angeles is the most accurate. Drmargi (talk) 00:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith, I am not saying anything in an in polite way, I just wanted you to know the definition of Greater LA, which is as I stated above, per US officials. If you are thinking that the LA basin is the Greater LA area then you are wrong, and from my point that is what your telling. House1090 (talk) 00:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

You've entirely missed my point, and your insistence that YOU ARE RIGHT and I AM WRONG both fails to assume good faith and lacks civility. There is no one definition of greater LA; I have no idea who the US officials are you refer to, nor do I recognize that the Wikipedia definition is the only available definition. Regardless, you're splitting hairs. Now, we can go in circles about this, or we can resolve the issue at hand based on reliable sources, not original research, with civility. Drmargi (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Greater Los Angeles as defined by the US census, is the LA-Santa Ana-Riverside CSA consisting of LA, Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties. Sources back me up. Now as for who does CSULA, pease add a source. House1090 (talk) 02:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

That's the census bureau's definition for census purposes. It's not trademarked nor is the term in any way limited to how the census bureau uses it. Now, try to listen. That is not the only definition of greater Los Angeles. Are you ready to stop splitting hairs that are getting us nowhere, out of a need to be right, yet?

Meanwhile, the reference, which supports the use of greater Los Angeles is in place, easily found on the CSULA website: Serving approximately 20,500 students primarily from the greater Los Angeles area. Cal State L.A. operates year round on the quarter system. You could have spared yourself a helluva lot of hassle and acrimony, not to mention a near edit-war had you just taken the time to look that up. Drmargi (talk) 03:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

If I am not interested in something, I am not going to do much research. If there was a source in the first place, we would of not had much trouble. Anyways, I do not think we had an edit war, I only reverted you once, just so you know. I was just visiting this page because I wanted to see how other CSU articles were because I am trying to fix the CSU San Bernardino article up. I wish you luck and hopefully next time we can just both assume good faith and add sources. Best regards, House1090 (talk) 03:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, you certainly put a lot of agro into something you claim is of no interest. I'd suggest you spend a considerable amount of time reading up on how the CSU system works, starting with its admission policies, before you edit any CSU-related article again, given the standard of accuracy I've seen you display here. Drmargi (talk) 07:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

References

Picture of campus

There seems to be a kerfuffle over the number, and placement, of pictures of the campus added by a user overnight. I removed one picture, a duplicate image of the Golden Eagle that was mistakenly labeled as the new University Student Union, in favor of the previous (if dated) image of the campus walkway, then later expanded the caption on another. Now another editor has come in and removed the images with no discussion. It's time to stop editing and stop talking if the new photographs are going to generate this many revisions/reverts. I think they're fine as they were before Ucla90024 removed a couple, leaving a long swathe of text with no text, and very scanty edit summaries to justify the edits. Drmargi (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Controversies

Should there be a section for controversies? I notice some schools have them and others don't--this could be taken as bias, since surely all schools have experienced controversy? DaisySaunders (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Why? If there's a reason for one, yes. If not, no. We don't add one arbitrarily. BTW, English is always capitalized, and SAT or ACT should be written out, since they can stand for a variety of things. Drmargi (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I think there certainly should be a controversies section, or something similar, like student activism, or political climate, or whatever. I'd like to add a bit about when Ben Shapiro tried to talk on campus and the resulting controversy. Benjamin (talk) 09:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I added a controversies section and a subsection for Ben Shapiro. It is quite obviously unfinished. I'll add more later. Sometime in the future, I'd also like to add a bit about the general political climate. Benjamin (talk) 09:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

So my edit was reverted. Let's talk about it. Ben Shapiro's speech has received significant coverage in the media. Perhaps it only deserved a few sentences, but it's certainly worth a mention. Benjamin (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Pft! It was a mild news event for a day or two and of no lasting significance. The quarter ended, the campus community moved on, and the event was over. It only merited the little attention it got because a) it was about a conservative speaker with a need for attention who kicked up the usual conservative censorship fuss and; b) it happen at Cal State LA, not the generally more newsworthy UCLA, making it novel. The just-averted strike garnered far more ink and was of more lasting impact, and no one has the slightest interest in adding something about it to the article. --Drmargi (talk) 16:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems to meet notability guidelines in that it has significant coverage in good sources. Also, the notability requirements are lower here, because I am adding to an already established article, rather than creating a new one. Also, this particular event may be temporary, but the attitudes and policies it draws attention to are far reaching. Also, notability is not temporary. Once a topic is covered in reliable sources, it doesn't need ongoing coverage. I'll admit it does seem a tad out of place in this article, but perhaps that's just because there is no controversies section, when there really should be one. If this information would be more appropriate at a different article, I'd be more than happy to put it there. Benjamin (talk) 18:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Notable alumni and faculty

Hi. Your CSU, LA alumni and faculty list has gotten to the point that it needs to be split off into its own article. See the following colleges as examples. Corkythehornetfan (talk) 04:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_University#Notable_alumni_and_faculty
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_State_University#Notable_alumni_and_faculty