Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio/Archive 1

Archive 1

125 in cuyahoga

Hey, Enwebb, I'm thinking now that we have over 100 in Cuyahoga, that might be the next color on the map? --valereee (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• While you are at it, you might color a whole bunch of other counties correctly too. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 21:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Twopower332.1938, We're all volunteers here. Things can sometimes take a while. We tend to eventually get it right. Let's be kind to one another. --valereee (talk) 21:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Twopower332.1938 thanks for the snark. I haven't edited today because I was burying a pet. I will get to this later today if someone hasn't fixed it yet. I will add a third color. Enwebb (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, I'm so sorry you lost a pet! These animals, they steal our hearts and then they only live for a decade or two. :( Twopower332.1938 is a pretty inexperienced editor, they may not understand clearly how WP works, don't take the criticism to heart. Best wishes to you. Take care of yourself. --valereee (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, thank you for your kind words here and at my talk page! Enwebb (talk) 16:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, given that Acton is saying at the peak we'll have 6-10,000 cases per day, I'm thinking the next color change should be at 1000, and then at 10,000? OTOH, other articles are using cases per x population...what do you think? --valereee (talk) 21:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, yes, I was thinking the next color would be at 1000. Cases per x population would be a bit more painful to do. I'd have to acquire the population of each county and do the math every day. If anything, I think that would be an "in addition to" the current map rather than an "instead of", as they are conveying two different things--the absolute and relative numbers of cases. See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in California. Enwebb (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, I'm all about not making it a burden on us volunteers :) --valereee (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Day by day hospitalizations data

Does anyone have the day by day hospitalizations data, as of today 3/23/2020 there are 104 hospitalizations, this will be very important to document moving forward azs this will indicat the amount of strain put on our Ohio health care system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptBillWilson (talk • contribs) 00:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC) CaptBillWilson (talk) 00:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

CaptBillWilson, they're in the edit history, we could pull them into the graph, especially since Ohio isn't reporting recoveries --valereee (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

County map

Today's results are being reported differently. While more data overall is being given, the state no longer appears to be giving the number of cases on a county-by-county basis. Unless someone can locate that data published somewhere else, today might be the end of the map. Enwebb (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Look now. It seems they take a few minutes to code in the data.Twopower332.1938 (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Change 'active cases' to 'cumulative cases' in chart?

Ohio does not keep data on active cases, does not keep data on recoveries. All data on the ODH website is CUMULATIVE. If we can't change that chart, we need to stop using it. --valereee (talk) 15:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• I don't know why this change was made. State calls them confirmed cases, not cumulative. Two days ago Stark county had 13 confirmed cases and 1 death. Yesterday, (25th), Stark county had 12 confirmed cases and two deaths. So they obviously are not a total of all cases. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

  Twopower332.1938 Because we were calling them "active cases", which is misleading. Many of these cases may be recovered. We don't know. Please ping me when replying, thanks! --valereee (talk) 20:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Ohio has a shaded area around labeled "preliminary" on their official state dashboard now; it covers over 2 weeks of data. It looks like they are reassigning the positive tests to the dates the tests were given, instead of the dates the tests came back. The numbers have changed each afternoon for 3 days now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:50C6:1F00:3409:3BEE:B3C7:767D (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

change in reporting

ODH has stopped reporting by county, we probably need to remove the map and table, just keep the chart --valereee (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• Give it a few minutes. Same thing happened yesterday. Dewine already released county #s on twitter Twopower332.1938 (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, DeWine is still putting the numbers on his official Facebook page so I have updated the map and added it back in. Enwebb (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, the gif looks great! FTR, the county data is also on the new dashboard! --valereee (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, I'm wondering if the final view of the gif needs to be visible for double or triple the time, to make it clear it's the end/beginning? I don't know the best practices for this stuff. --valereee (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, yeah I was thinking about revising it. Maybe adding some text with the date and number of statewide cases? I think visually it's pretty clear that it's starting over (going from 66 counties to one county) but I'm probably going to make some changes. Enwebb (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Enwebb, oh, it's totally clear it's starting over; my thoughts were just that a short pause gives a chance to process where we are at the end before it starts over, if you see what I mean. --valereee (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Impact on education section

This section is way too long and detailed. None of these individual college entries is going to have lasting importance in understanding what the pandemic did to Ohio. I suggest we summarize this to four or five sentences. --valereee (talk) 16:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

updating dates without updating stats

Gingerbreadhouse97, you appear to be updating dates without updating numbers? --valereee (talk) 19:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee The numbers hadn't changed. Gingerbreadhouse97 (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Gingerbreadhouse97

Gingerbreadhouse97, the numbers change every day at 2pm. It is misleading to change the date to today's date before today's numbers have been published. Enwebb (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Valereee Got it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerbreadhouse97 (talk • contribs)

Gingerbreadhouse97, ah, I see! I thought maybe you'd changed the dates in preparation of doing an update, then got called away! :) Yes, what Enwebb said -- Ohio's Department of Health does their daily update at 2. Boy we'd be celebrating here if we hadn't had any increase in 24 hours! :D

That was actually Enwebb who responded to you, not me. When you leave a post on a talk page, if you end it with four tildes like this: ~~~~ it'll sign and date your post for you! And if you add one more colon than the post you're responding to, it helps other editors see who you're replying to. --valereee (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Gingerbreadhouse97 (talk) 16:23, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Thanks. :)

Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United States/Ohio medical cases chart

This table presents the data as they were historically known at two pm on each of those days. However, the state's website Dashboard lists that we now know of cases going back to February 07 and deaths back to March 17, with 6 actual deaths by the time the first was announced on the 20th, because it can take a long time to determine the definitive cause of death and even the presence of disease. I don't know what to do with the discrepancy. The data as presented at the state's dashboard gives the impression that the disease is slowing down, even though we will only know the progression in retrospect. Perhaps a disclaimer along the lines of : "Cases and deaths are only those confirmed at two pm on each date". Twopower332.1938 (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. At minimum it should be noted that the historical data in the chart is not correct. The numbers on the Ohio website have constantly changed. Only the most recent day is being updated on the chart on this page. When the numbers are corrected back to the beginning, the daily increases are actually much smaller now than what they appear to be when the numbers are not corrected back to the start of the pandemic. For example, on April 3, the total cases for April 1 was reported as 3276. On April 4th the total cases reported for April 1 was 3543. On April 5th, the total cases reported for April 1 was 3718. The numbers for the last 10 days or so are marked on the Ohio website as 'preliminary'. However, they are changing numbers clear back to February 15th. On April 5, they moved the first case from February 16 to February 15, and modified numbers all the way through the chart. If the numbers are adjusted to represent what is currently on the Ohio website, the percentage of cases per day is significantly lower now than the way the chart appears on wikipedia. Using April 1 as an example, the chart here shows a 16% increase in cases. On the Ohio website, the numbers have all been adjusted, and the increase on April 1, as reported on April 5, was 180 cases with an increase over the previous day of 5%. I find this to be important, because using the latest numbers from Ohio all the way back to the start, the growth appears to be much slower right now than what is showing here. 1959jake (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Do we need a separate article on the Pandemic for each of the 50 US states? The world doesn't revolve around the US

Imagine each subregion of Spain and Italy had their own article on how the pandemic hit them. How about every state in India? Every State in Germany?

This is ridiculous. I would speed delete all of these. Php2000 (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• I'm sure if each region had a different approach to this disease, they would have vastly different outcomes. The USA has no unified response, thus each state gets its own article. Spain and Italy each have their own languages, which they can devote volunteer resources to their articles. English wikipedia does "revolve around the US", along with Britain and India. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 13:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that each state needs a page. Many states are larger than a lot of countries, and are uniquely governed. The measures taken from state to state, and the results from state to state vary a lot. In the end a lot might be learned from the different degrees of measures, and the timing of the measures. It is unfortunate that there may be little uniformity in how differing entities categorize and track the numbers 1959jake (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Keep the pages for each U.S. state. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• Quite honestly, Ohio would rate an article even if we didn't have one for every state. Ohio led the nation in closing the state down and is demonstrating how beneficial those decisions were. There's international coverage of Ohio's response. --valereee (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

By County

We have a chart for the by county confirmed cases in Ohio. Some counties have data for the cases in their county, e.g. Hamilton. I would like to add that data, but not sure where best to put it. It seems like it belongs in "Spread of the Virus", but that data would overwhelm the section. The side bar was a good way to avoid doing that. Maybe it could go in the sidebar? I'll try that but if you object, please explain here what you think. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

References

To find counties that publish county data, it was easiest to find them with this Google search. --David Tornheim (talk) 08:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

confirmed vs probably

Hey, Twopower332.1938, do the county numbers add up to the probable or the confirmed? I'm not sure we should be using probables unless that's what the county numbers reflect? --valereee (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hey Valereee, the county numbers add up to total cases and total deaths as listed at state website and in table.Twopower332.1938 (talk) 21:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

  Okay, we need to change the captions that currently say 'confirmed cases' I guess? --valereee (talk) 22:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You have changed to total cases with probables, so the chart is showing a jump in the % change, but that jump is strictly because you changed the numbers you are reporting, which makes the comparison to older data skewed. Maybe a * or something to indicate that numbers going forward are slightly different calculation.

Jump in case 4/18 and 4/19

The large jump in cases on 4/18 and 4/19 are distorted because they tested a large number of prisoners. This presented a significant increase in focused testing that would not have been done in the general population that skewed the results for those 2 days. Perhaps an explanation in the Prisons section, or a * and/or note on the daily % change chart.

Deaths Per Day Reported in Ohio (new table)

On the Department of Health website dashboard here, the lower bar chart labeled Deaths**, deaths are updated daily and are revised as new info comes in. The new table in the article is the number of new deaths each day, (in darker color) from that chart. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

This has been broken for days, and it conflicts with the other chart. I think we need to delete it until we figure out how to fix it and make the two charts synch. —valereee (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Please explain how it is broken. The bar graph at the state's dashboard lists the total cumulative deaths for each date, and the darker shade at the top of the bar is the people who died on that day. That is where this list comes from. The Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United States/Ohio medical cases chart chart lists the totals reported at two pm on that date with the disclaimer "and are not updated to reflect subsequent testing". They do not agree because they note two different things. I suppose Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United States/Ohio medical cases chart could try to list the data from the bar charts at the dashboard, and the "Deaths Per Day Reported in Ohio" list could be eliminated.Twopower332.1938 (talk) 22:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

A chart is probably a better solution than a bar graph. I don't know how many data points are allowed with Template:Graph:Chart. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 00:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article: a graph showing the curve of the number of newly diagnosed cases for each day. This is important because it is the indicator that reopening is supposed to be conditioned on (there are supposed to be 14 straight days of declining numbers of newly diagnosed cases prior to reopening). 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

+10,000 cases in a county

Map needs to be updated to have another category for over 10,000 cases. —valereee (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Chart removal

Special:Contributions/205.142.197.104 removed the chart with the edit-summary, "Removed chart because the data gives a very misleading picture of the epidemic. The explanation in the caption is not an adequate warning". I restored. I'd like to see more specific arguments for why the chart is misleading. This is the only page I have seen that has such a chart and I wonder how valid it is. It does make it look like deaths have dropped off, which doesn't seem true based on the other chart that continues to show 1% increase daily in number of deaths. --David Tornheim (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The chart comes with the disclaimer that the data is provisional, as the state dashboard says. The dashboard says that it take some time for the coroner or doctor to report if deceased had corona, then report it to county, then they to the state, then compiled and reported. The 52 deaths reported this afternoon, Tuesday June 2, happened on 23 different days, twenty of those from May 9 to yesterday, as can be seen comparing two revisions of the article at this link: changes
We can only go with the data presented by the state, anything else would be original research. It seems, at least to me, that we don't know trends for two or three weeks after they happen, based on the friction of the reporting system. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• Also, there always seem to be more deaths reported on Tuesday and Wednesday than over the weekend. I guess that's because lots of counties take it easy on the weekend. The dates people die don't seem to have a favored weekday. Twopower332.1938 (talk) 20:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• • an anonymous contributor removed these charts with this edit summary: "These charts are extremely misleading! The data from the last 2 weeks are incomplete by design. If you want to publish data from this source, then the data from the last 2 weeks should be left off of the charts." I think that's not an terrible idea, if I were publishing a blog or twitter post about this topic, but where does two weeks come from? Sounds like original research to me. I guess the disclaimer below the charts could be strengthened to make the incomplete nature of the recent data more obvious. Perhaps: "numbers for most recent days are incomplete and will likely increase as more data becomes available to the state." Other ideas? Twopower332.1938 (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Regarding the accusation that the data from the state is "incomplete by design", the article would be a good place to quote someone who made that accusation in public. Certainly, there must be someone who accuses Acton of "cooking the books". Twopower332.1938 (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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proposal re: maps

I'm going to propose we remove all the maps and use a single map that replicates Ohio's new OPHAS map. It would be faster and easier to update, provides much more useful information than any of our current maps, and would help declutter the page. —valereee (talk) 12:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

too long

The article has been tagged as too long for easy navigation. I'm going to suggest we split out the section on Impacts to Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in Ohio. —valereee (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

graphs way too big

The illness onset, deaths, and hospitalizations graphs are gigantic. I tried shrinking the illness onset to 300x200 (it's currently 600x400) but it didn't shrink the frame, just the graph within the frame. How do we shrink the frame? —valereee (talk) 11:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)