Talk:Brickfilm

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Should this article link to individual brickfilms? I personally think that it's enough to link to directories rather than turn this into an brickfilm billboard. Jake Snicket 00:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge

I found Brickmation on another user's webpage, and found that this page was actually used by the Lego article and template. If there's any vital information in the other article that can be used here, then the merge should occur. Otherwise, I would think of listing the other page for deletion. From what I can see, the only difference is that the other page is riddled with external links and information about "Brick Tableaux", or simple photography using scenes made with Legos as its subject. Ryulong 06:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, all that appears to be at the other page is a bunch of external links. Brickfilm is much more thorough. Ryulong 06:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Oldest Brickfilm

I removed this paragraph from the article: The Oldest known example of a Brickfilm:

• Natural Born Legomen

Animated in 1995 by a 16 year old Matti Beramsingh it was a Legoman parody of the Oliver Stone Film Natural Born Killers. It was entered into the Bradford Young People's Film Festival where it won the prize for Innovative Filmmaking in October 1995.

Shot on a VHS-C with the stop motion feature built in to the GR-M7 Pro is ran for 11 minutes and the animation was 4 frames a second.

The oldest known Brickfilm was, in fact, made in the late 1980s called The Magic Portal. I've added a small section about it in place of Natural Born LEGOmen. --Hotwheels53 16:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

was it necessary to say it is considered a forerunner when you claim it's the first one ever made? Isn't that pretty obvious if it was first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.48.6.139 (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YB_tk0tWEM&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b) is older. It is discussed on [[1]]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.215.139 (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID002fBOmWM) has turned up from summer 1979. It is also discussed on [[2]]. Cardiform (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Other types of brickfilms

You can make brickfilms on the Game Blockland. I can't remember the sites but just thought I'd let you know.Bobo10512 10:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC) No way. That's a game, that requires no creative talent or skill, just some jittery fingers. User:lortoniipa —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

Monty Python

I'm surprised that the Lego version of the Camelot song from Monty Python and the Holy Grail isn't mentioned at all. Anyone else think it's significant enough to add? --Fez2005 03:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it probably should be added. Maybe Spite Your Face (they made the Monty Python clip) should have their own section. HotWheels(53) ^Talk

They made the Brickfilms for Lego, right? You can put them in my new notable brickfilmers section.That Dude —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

 Done actually that sketch on the DVD mentioned prompted me to start this page Mahjongg (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Contests

Nothing was mentioned about the contests that Brickfilms and Brickfest have hosted. I added a little somethin'.Mojestic Waffles 00:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Podcast

I believe something should be said about the Brickfilms podcast. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mojestic Waffles (talk • contribs) 00:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

I don't think it should be mentioned here, this article is/should be about the art of brickfilming, not necessarily about all the places and forms brickfilms are available in, IMO. Besides, it's already in the Brickfilms LLC article. HotWheels(53) ^Talk 14:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Is this even a word?

There's no evidence in the article to prove it's even the accepted term for this hobby. At the moment, the article just sounds like some fanboy wrote it.--60.245.116.121 (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is definitely a word, and while terms vary, it's by far the predominant word for the hobby among the dedicated. A quick browse through a few community websites should be enough to verify this. (The word "brickfilms" is actually trademarked, by the way.) 70.243.117.224 (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Woo hoo! I get to explain a term! I created the term brick film when I was first organizing LEGO films on the Internet. I didn't want to step on LEGOs toes and a guy I knew was running a site called Brickshelf.com. (we crushed his bandwidth when the site took off. Sorry Kevin!)

Anyway I liked the term "brick" in order to avoid nasty letters from LEGO, and after Brickfilms.com was in the news so much, I just started calling them "Brickfilms". If you need another reference, there is a New York Times article by Pamela LiCalzi Oconnell dated Jan 15, 2001 titled "A New Kit From Lego For Auteurs Of Bricks. - Jason Rowoldt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.8.51 (talk) 06:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay but is it really an accepted term? I've always considered what this wiki describes to be [stop motion] animation. I mean I have nothing against what you are desribing or even the term brickfilm--- I used to make stop motion movies with Legos when I was a little kid in the early 90's. However, I've seen plenty of different animated cartoons of different styles and formats and loosely followed industry news and even read a few trade publications but I have never heard this term until today. I'm not an animation expert in any sense, just an avid fan. I'm just not sure this is truly an accepted term as how the wiki describes it and some of the content in the wiki just doesn't seem right. Examples:

- The wiki details the first, second, third, stop-motion films with Legos but the sources aren't great and I'm sure if I was doing this as a kid in 1993 then I'm sure there were other kids in the 80's who had Legos and parents with camcorders who did the same thing. In fact, the source for the 'oldest brickfilm' is from a blog where the creator notes: "Back in 1973 when I was 12, together with my younger cousin I made a 6 minutes Lego film in Super 8, half of it using stop motion animation." So I'm sure the second and third could easily be disputed and the information isn't all that important anyway.

- Other seemingly pointless information: "In 2008, the Brickfilms.com administrator, Schlaeps, started developing another brickfilming site which would later become bricksinmotion.com. As he was doing this using Brickfilms.com servers, Schlaeps was demoted from the site."

Does this really matter?

- The technique section seems to describe what could be applied to any stop-motion film and doesn't seem exclusive to 'brick films' in any way.

- I cannot find mainstream sources that use the term brickfilm or brickfilming to describe stop-motion Lego movies. I seem to only see it used by people that create 'brickfilms' and even then many don't seem to use or be aware of this term. Any newspapers, magazines, etc I've come across thus far don't use the term: . The episode of the simpsons "[brick like me]" doesn't turn up the term brickfilm on it's wiki or on any Fox material describing the episode, even though the wiki states brickfilm can inclde "cgi, traditional animation..."

What really bothers me though is that the only major source I've found using the term brickfilms is that NY Times article supplied above. The article author seems to base alot of the info off of what Jason Rowoldt says about Legos and movies. I can't find any earlier sources or mentions of "brickfilms" anywhere else and Jason Rowoldt had (has?) a site known as brickfilms with brickfilm in the URL, thus it would be in his own self-interest to try to make 'brickfilm' a commonly accepted term. Further, consider his above text regarding the origin of this term: "I didn't want to step on LEGOs toes... Anyway I liked the term "brick" in order to avoid nasty letters from LEGO, and after Brickfilms.com was in the news so much, I just started calling them "Brickfilms"."

So the website came before the term (the format existed before the term of course), but he notes he started calling them brickfilms---not 'others started calling them..' or 'I started, then eventually others' or similar--- and the site seems to have launched in 2000 based on the wiki, but the NY Times article is only a year later, meaning if the line from the times is true: "'Brick films' as they are sometimes called" then this would have became a widespread common term in only one years time; common enough that the article author mentioned them being called 'brick films'. It seems hard to believe that author didn't get the idea that 'brick films' is a term from Rowoldt.

In conclusion, I'm not sure I'd say the wiki should be deleted, there is some ground here for the term. However the wiki should be completely re-written and it should not be included in things like the animation topic template. This seems more of a sort of branding term and if something like [Squigglevision], an actual technique that is also a trademarked process, isn't in the animation topic template then this certainly shouldn't be. In the Lego one perhaps, but not animation.

This wiki should be rewritten and condensed or deleted.

Tunafizzle (talk) 07:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

References

Link ?

. Should we have a link to www.Brickfilms.com directly from this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMouthofSauron (talk • contribs) 15:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Why not? I don't know what's Wikipedia's policy though. A brick in the wall (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

"Lego movie" redirects here -- not good

Since The Lego Movie has now come out, that is a more suitable link target. 86.128.50.60 (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Migration to BiM

An anonymous user has removed all references to the migration from brickfilms.com to bricksinmotion.com, claiming it "can be disproven using Alexa". I think this is ridiculous. I referenced an article that discusses this in detail, and it's plain to see that brickfilms.com has been mostly abandoned. Traffic does not translate into community involvement. BiM gets at least one new movie every day, whereas BF gets one every few days and all the major brickfilmers are gone.

The influence of YouTube should be noted as well. Serpinium (talk) 15:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The part about BiM seems to be back now, but I do not think the supporting source in any way supports the claim that "As [Schlaeps] was doing this using Brickfilms.com servers, Schlaeps was demoted from the site." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.27.36.247 (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

From the source: "In mid march, Schlaeps was removed as admin on brickfilms.com by TaaB. The exact reason for this will vary depending on the source, but the main point appears to be that Schlaeps used hosting space on the brickfilms.com server to start work on a site that would eventually become Bricks in Motion. TaaB took exception to this, kicked Schlaeps out and hired Zane Eastwood to do the coding for the site." I'd say that supports the claim. --Serpinium (talk) 19:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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