Talk:Brian Keating/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I will be reviewing this article. I aim to complete my end of the review within the next four days. If you would like to return the favour, I have several good article nominations active right now, which you can find at WP:GAN.

Good article criteria

Criteria 1

Well written

• His father is the mathematician James Ax, and Brian has a brother, Kevin, who is three years older. – This isn't grammatically correct. Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Tweaked. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• There is something weird about that first paragraph in the article's body. Why isn't Brian's mother's name mentioned, and why isn't it directly said that she is his mother? Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I haven't managed to find his mother's name. I've clarified that Ax's wife is his mother. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• He has a wife, two daughters, a dog, and a brother-in-law who is a marine. – Who is this referring to? Brian, his father, his step father? Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Tweaked. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

    Looking at the source, it appears to be Strogatz, not Keating, saying that he has a wife, two daughters and a dog. Have I got that right? Steelkamp (talk) 02:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

    @Steelkamp: Oops, you're right, removed! Thanks for spotting that! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

• and subsequently he became Jewish, describing himself as a 'practicing devout agnostic'. – There should be more elaboration on this, because this sentence really confuses me. Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • It's what the ref says. I'm not too sure how to elaborate on this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• organised – Should use American spelling instead. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Should use American dates as well: MDY. Steelkamp (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Reluctantly changed. I'd prefer ymd or dmy, but since it is an American topic... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

      Believe me, I prefer DMY as well, but MDY is what we have to use for this. Steelkamp (talk) 02:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

• Is the NSF career grant the same thing as the National Science Foundation CAREER Awards? If so, it should be linked. Steelkamp (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I think it is, but also the same as Presidential_Early_Career_Award_for_Scientists_and_Engineers? I've reworded this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• Why aren't all the other awards in the infobox? Is it because they are not as important? Steelkamp (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Oops, I missed that, now added. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• To leave in a red link, the link should be notable enough to become an article one day. I am not convinced that the Ax Center for Experimental Cosmology and the Joan & Irwin Jacobs Program in Astrophysics are notable. Steelkamp (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I think they are sufficiently notable that they could have an article - particularly the center "Ax+Center"+for+Experimental+Cosmology, but also the program [1]. But the redlinks can be removed if needed. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Criteria 2

Verifiable with no original research

• Having run Earwig on this, there doesn't appear to be any copyright violations. Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• PragerU can be a bit questionable depending on how its used. I'd say its ok as a primary source. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• I like that there is a mix between university sources and news/journalism sources. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• The formatting of the references is quite good as well. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
• This is totally beyond the good article criteria: I notice that ref 23 says "For subscribers" in the title. You can put |url-access=subscription in the reference instead. There is also another San Diego Union-Tribune source used which is subscription only, which you could do this for. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I've just removed "For subscribers" since it doesn't seem to be restricted. I can't spot the other one that is restricted? I try to avoid subscription-only references where possible (and I don't have a subscription!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• I have yet to check any sources to see if they match up with what's said in the article. Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done that now. Very good. Just the two points below this. Steelkamp (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• I probably just missed it, but where in the sources does it say that Peter Timbie was Keating's PhD supervisor? I looked at the 24 page preview of the thesis that's available to me. Steelkamp (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • See the Acknowledgements page, second paragraph. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

    I see now. Steelkamp (talk) 02:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

• The source for the NASA Group Achievement Award doesn't actually mention Keating. To avoid falling foul of WP:SYNTH, a different source is needed or the sentence should be removed. Steelkamp (talk) 04:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • True, but 'group achievement' awards don't tend to list individuals, which makes this tricky. I've moved it to the 'Research' paragraph and reworded it to avoid synthesis. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

    I think that's an acceptable solution. Steelkamp (talk) 02:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Criteria 3

Broad in its coverage

• I guess we don't know where Brian was born or raised? Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I haven't found a reference that mentions that yet. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• PragerU mentions he holds 2 patents? Should that be in the article? Steelkamp (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Added. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Criteria 4

Neutral

Criteria 5

Stable

• No edit wars or content disputes. Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Criteria 6

Illustrated, if possible

• No issues with the image's copyright status.. Steelkamp (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi @Steelkamp: Thanks for looking at this! I expect to have time to work through your comments later this week. Just to make sure you've noticed this, see Talk:Brian_Keating#Article_Update_Requests - I've been in contact with Brian while working on this article, so if there are any tricky questions I can ask him directly about them / see whether he knows of additional references mentioning that info that we could use here (although of course, no reference = not included!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

• That's all from me. I will place the review on hold and await your improvements. Steelkamp (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
  • @Steelkamp: Many thanks, I've gone through them and tweaked the article, and replied to the points above, how does that look? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

    Quite close, just one thing left which I have commented above. Steelkamp (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

    I will pass it now. Steelkamp (talk) 13:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)