Talk:Bouvet Island/Archive 1

Archive 1

About the boat found in 1964

The article says the boat found in 64 was a lifeboat, and links to some website as a citation. I googled around for some more information about this, and I've found that other sites say it was a whaling boat. http://www.btinternet.com/~sa_sa/bouvetoya/bouvetoya.html

Does anyone have a conclusive word on which is right? Until then I'm rewording the sentence. --80.202.217.56 (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Color photo in 1898

There is clearly wrong year under the photo.

- There was color photography in 1898, though I guess it's unlikely this is one of them. But it could very well have been colorized, so I say keep it as it is. Cook of approval (talk) 23:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The picture description of the picture says "Black and white photograph coloured by hand." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bouvet_island_0.jpg), so you are clearly right. I agree that it can be kept as it is, though. Micdi2 (talk) 15:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

daylight saving time

Does Bouvet Island observe daylight saving time? --Chochopk 08:36, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

It is uninhabited. There is no permanent human settlement on that island, so I think the point is moot. Lupo 08:38, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Which timezone? Now both UTC+1 och Saint-Helena timezone (which is UTC without daylight saving time) are written in the article. Since there are no permanent nor any temporary (e.g. research station) human settlement on that island, maybe there is no defined time zone. The CIA factbook gives no time zone --BIL 18:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

My pure guess is that Norwegian timezone is valid, since noone has cared to have a sprecial law for the island, that is UTC+1 in the southern summer, and UTC+2 in the southern winter (reverse summer time!). -- BIL 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Flag

I am deleting the flag. If anyone can show that this flag has ever been used in any situation remotely connected to Bouvet island, it might be appropriate. But the island is uninhabited, and has always been so, and has no official flag. (Barend 15:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC))

Perhaps the Norwegian flag would be appropriate? As it stands, the infobox is missing something. -- Egil 17:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Norwegian flag is the correct one for Bouvet Island.Inge 18:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Then explain this: http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/bouvet_island.htm --  Denelson83  07:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

What's there to explain? The link you gave shows the Norwegian flag, and an alternate labelled as "unofficial and very doubtfull" [sic]. Lupo 08:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I have looked and have yet to find a law or regulation about flag usage for Bouvet Island. If there is any, my guess is that one should use the Norwegian flag, but as I said I have no basis to claim that. -- Nidator 13:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Standards

Is this appropriate to the standards of WP : "there is no whale station there, but who cares?" . Isn't there a policy about jokes? Not that it matters, but...--Dami 21:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Norwegian claim

How does Norway maintain its claim to an island which is effectively useless except for fishing rights? Do they maintain any naval protection? Also, some climatic info would be useful, it sounds like frozen hell on Earth.--MacRusgail 19:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Bouvetøya is a Norwegian dependency ("biland" in Norwegian) by law ([4]), so no regular action is required to "maintain its claim". Quite the opposite, it would require an act of parliament to release it from Norwegian sovereignty. I see no reason to to that though, and as far as I'm aware there have been no competing claims other than the British. It was dropped around the time Norway annexed the island as part of a larger understanding which saw Sverdrup Islands go to Canada. There is no permanent naval presence in the area, but coast guard vessels have been used on expeditions in the South Atlantic and Southern Oceans ([5]). Norway has not established an EEZ around Bouvetøya, so it has no responsibility to maintain a coast guard presence as I understand it. I don't know if the data from the automated weather station is available online. -- Nidator 18:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)I

Why did the British just surrender the island because Norway wanted it? If Canada wanted Sverdup Islands then that was between Canda and Norway and nothing to do with us. Why should we have to suffer just so Canada can go on an imperial land grabbing spree! We had Bouvet Island first and as far as I'm concerned it rightfully belongs to us! Hand it back seriously. YourPTR! 18:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You have to remember that this happened in 1928, when the United Kingdom and Canada had closer governmental ties than they have today. Newfoundland, for example, was a separate British dominion and the Statute of Westminster 1931 was still a couple of years off. In fact, it was only as late as 1982 that the requirement for the British Parliament to approve changes to the Constitution of Canada was removed. That you disagree with the decision the British government made really isn't a subject for a Wikipedia article. -- Nidator 17:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Continent?

Wich continent is the Bouvet Island a part of? --?.  The great Darren shan fan  13:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That is a good question. It lies on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 13:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Subantarctic?

The article says the island is subantarctic, but that article defines the boundary between Antarctic and Subantarctic as the Antarctic Convergence, which in turn lists Bouvet as being south of the convergence, and thus an antarctic island, surely? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that is one definition, based on climate. In the Antarctic Treaty System it is defined as south of the 60°S parallel. I suppose you could reason either way, but over-all I think it makes sense to continue with sub-Antarctic. Perhaps peri-Antarctic might be a compromise? -- Nidator ^{T / C} 08:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"peri-Antarctic" seems nitpicky. If our subantarctic article was updated with this alternative definition, I'd be quite happy. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 12:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Nelson Stump and the Stumptones?

I'm reverting a change that added the following to "...in fiction":

Nelson Stump (and his band The Stumptones) have left Key West, FL, USA and are headed dead reckoning for Bouvet. Quoting Nelson: "We're chunked down in the Sargasso Sea (5/2/08) but we'll get there. We're gonna do "Iceberg Songs" and we don't care if you like them or not. The band is fiesty. The floggings will continue until morale improves."

Maybe it wasn't graffiti, but I'd guess that's the way to bet... McGehee (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Political status

What is the political status of the island? Is it a real dependency or just an integral part of Norway like Jan Mayen? Joaopais 17:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

It is a dependency, not an integral part of Norway.--BIL (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

still uninhabited?

I am not a usual WP editor, but noticed that the organization Peace x Peace (www.peacexpeace.og) lists two members on Bouvet Island. See their page http://www.peacexpeace.org/circles/ and if you hover over the purple "pin" well south of Africa. Curious I flipped to the WP entry about Bouvet Island and the contradiction stood out. 68.15.37.222 (talk) 02:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)14 Nov 08, Aluckste

The island is uninhabited. In fact, as the article says, even the (not permanently manned) research station was blown to sea last year. I think this is just an attempt at being funny. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 10:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well that was unexpected - the PXP users on Bouvet Island were test users created during the development of the site. They were put there so that they'd be easy to remove before the system went live. I know because I put them there... Sodium lights (talk) 22:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

population

Some people do live there, see for yourself [6].--24.171.0.229 (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Um, that page doesn't mention Bouvet Island. And even if someone on it did claim to live there, some social networking website is not a reliable source. 87.112.17.229 (talk) 23:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek

I can pop in the DVD, but memory says it was Gravette Island. -- Evertype·✆ 21:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes you are correct. I will be deleting this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.26.119 (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Last visit?

Does anyone know when the last person visited the island..? I can't imagine there are many trips.. maybe sometime in the 80's.. 90's..? Dvmedis (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know the exact answer to that, but there were scientists from the Norwegian Polar Institute on the island late in the fall of 2007.[7] -- Nidator ^{T / C} 13:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this relevant?

"There is no telephone country code or area code, and no telephone connection (except by satellite, but there is nothing installed). There is no postal code and no postal distribution"

Does it not 'go without saying'? It's like saying the sea has no postal system. Just my thoughts.. Dvmedis (talk) 14:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It is not sea, it is an island. Many other islands have postal codes, e.g. Jan Mayen.--BIL (talk) 15:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Traveller

Delphine Cooper Dec. 20, 1925 - Feb. 24, 2008, is she the person who visited Bouvet alone? Zosma (talk) 14:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

pp-move

why? 81.174.196.48 (talk) 12:12, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

New pictures of Bouvet Island

Hi, FYI, I've uploaded two recent pictures of Bouvet Island on commons File:Bouvet Island west coast.jpg and File:Bouvet Island west coast glacier.jpg, if you're interested to include them in the article. I also have one with a big iceberg, at the south west of the island, if it can be of some illustrative value... Fguerraz (talk) 09:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Time zone

The time on Bouvet Island is not regulated by law. The law regulating time for Norway does not apply to Bouvet Island. --17. mai (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you point to a source for that, hopefully in English? Various sources state "according to Norwegian law ... it is UTC+1", and also "It is a dependent territory of Norway and, lying north of 60°S latitude, is not subject to the Antarctic Treaty" (emphasis mine). Others list it as one would expect from its geography – as UTC.

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

This very article says "The annexation of the island is regulated by the Dependency Act of 24 March 1933. It establishes that Norwegian criminal law, private law and procedural law applies to the island, in addition to other laws that explicitly state they are valid on the island", and it gives the source [8]. Finding an English source could be tricky. --17. mai (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Alien vs. Predator (2004)

The island was the (fictional) location for the 2004 film Alien vs. Predator. (Although it was incorrectly located on maps in the film as being in the Bellingshausen Sea.) Any thoughts about making a note of this in the entry? 75.13.94.59 (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Norwegian scientists starving to death in 1974???

The article currently incorporates this bit of information: After the tragedy of five Norwegian Scientists who starved to death due to a lack of food-supply in 1974...

I am Norwegian, and I have never heard of this before. This does not, of course, mean that it didn't happen. But I am very surprised to hear that something like this has happened and I have never heard about it - and that it seems impossible to find any further info about it on the net either. If someone have a source for the factuality of this event, please give it. Until then, I am deleting the sentence. --Barend 13:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I haven't heard about this either, and being interested in Norwegian polar history that makes me sceptical. -- Nidator 13:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to Google this info, using norwegian words (such an event would probably be in norwegian news). Found only one source, a copy of German Wikipedia. German Wikipedia has removed this info.

This comment added with sig and timestamp to facilitate archiving. - -MrBill3 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Island Infobox

It doesn't make sense for the infobox to be for a country. I propose changing it to a the island type - as I've done for Gough Island. Harsh but fair 08:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pingu7931 (talk • contribs)

New research station

It looks like a previous research station was lost due to shore erosion and storms around 2007.

A new station was put up in between December 2012 (new station consecrated in Norway) and February 2014 (article published).

http://www.nrk.no/norge/ny-_ekstremstasjon_-pa-bouvetoya-1.11525409

No idea if there are other language reports but the Google translate to English sort of makes sense.

There may be interesting info that can be added, I am not going to do this one. It looks like there is accommodation for scientists for some months at a time, sort of like a summer cottage.

Found another link with an interesting mystery.

http://allkindsofhistory.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/an-abandoned-lifeboat-at-worlds-end/

Also check

http://wikitravel.org/en/Bouvet_Island

Idyllic press (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

found blog post with maps

i just stumbled across a blog post from back in february of this year about bouvet island. [9]

there are some really beautiful old (and more recent) maps of the island. that's basically it. just wanted to share. ∈sensorsweep 04:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Fiction section

The Fiction section was very informative. It was there until removed on May 12, 2012. No explanation was given or no discussion on the talk page was initiated (that I am aware of). Why was it deleted? I have recovered that section and it is now again in the current article. On a personal note, I found that section very interesting as it helped me found literature where the island was depicted. (talk) user:Al83tito 17:40, 22 June 2013

If you like science fiction pages i would suggest exploring the Wikipedia page known as 21st century in fiction. 2602:306:32D8:24D0:A169:6C0F:BCD0:AC16 (talk) 21:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

I doubt that anyone pronounces this name as [bu.ˈʋɛ.øj.ɑ]. Which is based on that French guy's name. Norwegians (including myself) would pronounce it as [bu.ˈʋe.øj.a], since that /ɛ/ sound does not feel natural there. Also why is /ɑ/ used there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supevan (talk • contribs) 08:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)