Talk:Bisha'a

Very intresting article. I speak arabic very well but unfortunately I don't know "Bisha'a". Could you please write it in arabic? SheriKan (talk) 02:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

From In Popular Culture

These paragraphs were in the "Documentation" and "In Popular Culture" sections respectively; I believe they were intended for the discussion page, or at least belong there - either by mistake or being unfamiliar with Wikipedia. I'm pulling them from the article and copying them here so the text is not lost and the discussion(s) remains intact.

1. I have to confess some disagreement with the notion that bedouins of today prefer modern courts to Besha. That doesn't comport with my research. It may be that more trials in Egyptian Courts take place than before but this is because of Egyptian pressure for modern trials,not because the Bedu prefer them. Also, Glub Pash's comment needs to be understood for what it was, a Westerner's point of view where the context was the polygraph. A polygraph is intended to seek the truth and be a tool for convicting the guulty; but in Besha, the goal is different. It is to see justice and therefore it is understnad that even an innocent person may have t pay a penalty if in the eyes of God, that is desired. Regardless of the science involved, accurate, the context of the trial by ordeal ust be seen through eyes of local custom, not western eyes, to be fully understood. Larry Roeder

2. This man's interpretation is reveribly biased. I can't help but draw comparisons between his analysis of this ritual and the witch-hunting tactic of putting a suspected witch in a chair then lowered into water.... It the person then drowned, then they were innocent ---- if they lived, they were guilty. What faulty logic? Honestly. It sounds romantic, and no doubt the conducters of such a ritual were swayed by facts, but it is only logically valid if the mind (which is not guilty) overcomes the body (which has no way of proving its innocence) thereby producing a pure miracle. Something that is generally, for example, in the case of an armed robbery, not warranted by any God who never speaks to the populace of his Universe. Get me?

I'm not actually sure if these two paragraphs are in response to each other or if the second one is in response to the quotation from the Glubb Pasha account and the first a commentary on modern practice.

Also, should this be flagged as disputed or something similar? Obviously, no original research/synthesis applies, but the fact that these two paragraphs are in here at all suggests that the article might merit scrutiny beyond basic cleanup.

Sgt.widget (talk) 21:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

for Further Reading

Joseph Ginat, Bedouin Bisha’h Justice: Ordeal by Fire (Sussex Academic Press, 2009)

http://www.sussex-academic.com/sa/titles/middle_east_studies/GinatBedouin.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.150.237 (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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