Talk:Banksia serrata

Lignotuber in Banksia serrata

There is doubt about the presence of a lignotuber. I do not see a reference to lignotuber in the cited articles. On the other hand, Mibus and Sedgley in "Early Lignotuber Formation in Banksia–Investigations into the Anatomy of the Cotyledonary Node of Two Banksia (Proteaceae) Species" note (page 577) "Whilst B. menziesii is clearly lignotuberous... with concealed lignotuber buds, confusion exists in the literature as to whether B. serrata is lignotuberous. B. serrata is characteristically arborescent, with a single stem. .... In his taxonomic survey of quantitative characters, Thiele (1993) was uncertain about the presence or absence of lignotubers in seedlings of B. serrata. George (1987)does not describe B. serrata as lignotuberous, stating that this species is fire tolerant, sprouting from epicormic shoots. (Whilst Wikipedia is not about primary sources, I have seen the swelling at the base of this species but I have never seen an example of B. serrata recovering from fire from sprouting from this swelling.) I suspect a Wikipedia editor has assumed the swelling is a lignotuber. Gderrin (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Right, the issue is what is and is not called a lignotuber and how it looks. Certainly alot of the typical lignotuberous species (robur, spinulosa and oblongifolia) have little buds all around the base of the stem which sprout if the plant is burnt or hard-pruned. Serrata (which is quite unrelated) doesn't. It has a thick trunk with different bark and lacks the buds as such, yet it does respond to fire by resprouting. In fact all species resprout by something on the outside as the wooden inside of any woody plant is by definition dead. I have George's monograph - will see what it says as it goes into more detail than anything else. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• George's 1981 monograph dodges the question and just says it is fire tolerant. Taylor/Hopper Banksia Atlas noted epicormic and ground reshooting after bushfire and stated it is at least some of the time lignotuberous. More: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Right, this paper also says can be lignotuberous. This series of papers is a goldmine of info for all flora in Sydney basin. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
• Interesting indeed. Perhaps we can just leave it as "there is doubt"? Gderrin (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

We have to reflect what the sources say (like peer-reviewed hopscotch really :)) - Feel free to add that Thiele was uncertain (that ref is all over the place so you can cut and paste). The Benson paper has some links to some papers that look at this in some detail (Bradstock?) - I will try to chase up some fulltexts. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

• Aw! Can't we just saw a few off at ground level and see what happens? No? Pity. Still, the debate is interesting. Gderrin (talk) 07:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Towards GA/FA-hood

Okay, @Gderrin:, am buffing this for that so it can be mainpaged sometime Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Made some changes, mainly to sentence structure. Also added a couple of new references. One of my favourites spp. (although none near here.) - GA or FA soon I hope. Gderrin (talk) 05:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

• Need to look this up later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• "is usually the dominant plant in scrubland or low woodland." Perhaps "throughout its range" or something would be a useful addition.

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:04, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• "0.9 to 1 centimetre (1⁄4 to 1⁄2 in)" Hardly!

tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:04, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• "again showed the three eastern species to form a group" Could this be rephrased?

like this? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• Dieback is mentioned twice in slightly different ways; could this be looked into?

tweaked, stray quote marks removed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• "In cultivation, though relatively resistant to 'dieback', it does require a well drained soil, preferably fairly sandy and a sunny aspect, with a pH from 5.5 to 7.5.[39] Summer watering is also helpful. Note that the plant may take several years to flower, although plants grown from cuttings may flower in two years." A bit "how to".

I tried this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:22, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• "The timber has been used in boatbuilding and is strong, durable and attractively patterned.[6] Red-pink it resembles English oak.[39]" The second sentence needs work, I think. I'm also not keen on "attractive".

rejigged Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:25, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

That's all that jumps out on a first read-through. I'll be back to look into sources and images. Please double-check my edits. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:55, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

edits look fine Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the sources, I'm seeing a little bit of inconsistency on formatting (check publisher locations and publishers for journals, for example) but I'm not going to fuss about that for GAC. The Calodema ref threw me a little. The way you cite Australian National Botanic Gardens is a little inconsistent. But, ultimately, nothing to hold up promotion here. I'll be back for a final look-through soon. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:50, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

The sourcing/licesning on File:Saw Banksia flowers cropped.jpg needs to be looking into, I think. And I confess I'm unclear on the licensing of File:Banksia serrata0.jpg. Other than that, images look good; I love the cockatoo. I added an image of one of the cultivars. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I replaced the first one with file:Banksia Serrata, Proteaceae, Australian Flora.jpg. I am amazed we have no clear shots of old flower spikes with follicles apart from that very old one! I can take a snap today I am sure..or look for something on one of my hard drives Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:52, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Been cursed @J Milburn: - been to busy to find a garden or street plant near me (winter here so dark early!). Finally realised I did upload File:Banksia serrata follicles.jpg over a decade ago! Substituted now... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Great! No further comments, and I will promote now. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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