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According to one account of the hunt, Hylaeus and Rhaecus, two centaurs, tried to rape Atalanta, but Meleager killed them.

I read in a book called "Mythology" (I forgot who was the author but I know it was a woman in her 60's or something) that it was Atalanta who killed the centaurs and not Meleager. I want to know if any one heard of that too?--TKGB 17:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Edith Hamilton? Yes, I have read that also.

i read that too on the internet!

Yes, it must have been Edith Hamilton. There are different versions of stories. Yes, it is true that Atalanta did kill two centaurs who pursued her. However, yes, Atalanta did not kill Meleager. It was Meleager's mother that killed her son because Meleager killed her two favorite brothers. ~Rhana~{♦} ^{talk page} 19:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Who exactly is typing this?

And I quote:

Atalanta was forbiden to be wed because the oracle said the her life would go down the tubes if she did. Atalanta bore (Ares or Meleager) a son: Parthenopeus, who participated in the campaign of the Seven Against Thebes.

• forbiden*? *go down the tubes*? *said the her*? That is just really bad for an article about ancient Greek mythology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.212.9 (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Apparently. :) It looks like someone vandalized the article. ~Rhana~{♦} ^{talk page} 19:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And I quote:

They were cursed by the priests after seeing Melanion stroking her large breasts as if they were Aphrodite's own (thus suggesting that her naked form was as beautiful as the goddess's).

who's typing THIS? Atalanta was supposed to be a warrior princess and a fast-runner. And she can accomplished all that with big jugs?

Conflation?

I thought that there were two Atalantas, one with the boar and one with the race? Am I wrong? 69.153.27.216 03:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

She was unwilling to marry unless any man could beat her at a foot race.

There was only one Atalanta!!!!

Yes, it has been said there were actually two heroines named Atalanta. :) The two men, Iasus and Schoenius are each called the father of Atalanta. If there really was two maidens of the same name, it is surprising how both wanted to sail on the Argo, both hunted in the Calydonian boar hunt, both married the man who beat them in a running race, and both were changed into lionesses. Because the stories are fairly similar, it is said that there was really only one Atalanta. ~Rhana~{♦} ^{talk page} 19:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Fan comment?

This paragraph was in the main article. It is interesting but should it really be there without external references to some scholarly work - otherwize it sounds like "original research". No?

MEANING OF THIS MYTH

Atalanta didn't want to get married,he challenged men to compete in running games,they were loosing and she was killing them.and then melanion showed up.What the writer of this story wanted to say is that atalanta did purposely left melanion to win because she liked him. The golden apples of aphrodite mean his looks. One of the most romantic (and clever) stories of greek mythology.

Atalanta is a girl, so who is "he?" How you know that Atalanta purposely left Melanion (Milanion)? Do you have these citations? And the golden apples didn't belong to Aphrodite. ;) They belonged to the Hesperides originally. ~Rhana~{♦} ^{talk page} 19:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Golden Apples did belong to the Hesperides originally, but Heracles (Hercules) was required to steal 3 Golden Apples from the garden of the Hesperides as one of his 12 Labours. He had no use for the apples, so he gave them to Athena. Athena then gave the apples to Aphrodite (I have no idea why). Atalanta made oath to Artemis to be an eternal maiden, and she refused to fall in love. Unless there is proof, I believe the myth is literal when it talks about "Golden Apples" and other such things; not metaphorical nor of inexact meaning. MelancholyPanda (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Our articles are built up;on what reliable sources have to say about a subject. Dougweller (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Actual myth?

This page could really do with more info on the actual Greco-Roman Atalanta myth. As is, it just has her parentage and some info on her appearances, which is pretty irrelevant. I'll update it if I manage to find my myth encyclopedia, but if someone could give it a shot in the mean time, that would be nice. Geekboy72 (talk) 18:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree on your suggestion. I think this article just now mainly focus more on the Greek mythological Atlanta; how she was raised and how she helped fight the Calydonian boar. We should also include the race; she would only marry the man who could beat her on foot in a race. ~Rhana~{♦} ^{talk page} 19:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If you look in the history of the page, you'll see that someone blanked the 'legend' section, and that in the next month nobody noticed. I'm too lazy to fix it and it can't be reverted, so you might want to look into that.99.244.97.75 (talk) 00:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Link to Atlanta

There is a link to the Atlanta, GA article, which seems completely irrelevant. Is Atalanta ever even known as Atlanta? 173.168.204.148 (talk) 21:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I have removed this link. Looking at the Atlanta article, it's pretty clear that Atalanta has nothing to do with Atlanta, as the city was named after the railroad that originated there. Bantam1983 (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Out of Control "Cultural Depictions" Section

Whoa, nelly. How about we just pick the two or three most prominent mentions of Atalanta and throw out the rest of these mostly tedious descriptions? It's practically a list down there.Tdimhcs (talk) 20:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Update: I think I have improved it. If some rabid fan of Golden Sun is upset that I just deleted the description of how many Jupiter djinns it takes to summon Atalanta in the aforementioned video game, speak now or forever hold your peace.Tdimhcs (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Orchid: Cattleya Atalanta

There is a hybrid orchid named Cattleya Atalanta that is white to very pale and smells like cloves. It is spectacular.

Lion's sex thing

So, what I had heard and what was referenced in this article is that the Ancient Greeks (maybe not all but some) believed Lions and Leopards mated together but male and female lions did not.

It's unclear if this means male lions and female leopards mated. Then, female lions and male leopards together. Or what, but, this seems to be a thought that modern audiences have about the ancients.

It's possible this belief is a myth/lie/falsehood. Or that it is true and was spawned from a rumor/folktale/lie told about the ancients/folklore/etc.

Anyone's thoughts would be appreciated.

For this reason and others, I believe that one of the lines at the bottom of the mythology section. About the lions thing, where they say someone in a book said it is not a belief they had.

Well, I feel it needs extra information. Like, it says there is no evidence to suggest this is true, but, does not try to explain how it may have started or who said it/said it first. I believe this would be a helpful thing to add to give it weight and provide evidence against it. As is, it is fine, but, could use improvements.

It is kind of like, but, distinct from, "Weasel Words". That is, things such as "experts say," "some claim," "someone once said," "some ancient astronaut theorists believe," or something to that effect. Basically, words or phrases that alludes to source without including a concrete source. Baseless and fake credibility.

This has a source (regardless of it is publicly accessible/not a dead link/behind a paywall, I have not checked) so it is not that, but, it reminds me of that because it doesn't have a full argument.

Probably could describe it as a "Weasel/Incomplete Argument". A proposition and introduction with evidence/rhetoric, but with no rebuttal.

What do any of you readers think?

I'd appreciate a reply if you happen to have stumbled upon and read all this. And, if you have the time/skill/patience. Consider adding a rebuttal to the Lion Theory with a source on who started spreading this belief around. Or what evidence there is that it was faked. Not just "this book says there is no evidence for it." Feels incomplete.

You can do it with/without reading the original source they used for the rebuttal of the Lion Theory. I don't know how that works.

Thank you so much for reading!

P.S. This one was much larger than intended but I had fun doing so. Hope I didn't bore you with the length of this text. Bye! HelloHamburger (talk) 06:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)