Talk:Ashley Williams (Mass Effect)/GA1

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Vacant0 (talk · contribs) 10:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing this GAN as part of the ongoing GAN backlog drive. --Vacant0 (talk) 10:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Initial comments

• It is possible that there is copyright violation in the article. Earwig's Copyvio Detector has reported 47.9% in similarity. Will analyse this in depth later in the review. See below.

The toon website probably copied Wikipedia, and OMG that is a porn a website. I checked and I was surprised on what was it.

• There are no cleanup banners, such as those listed at WP:QF, in the article.
• The article is stable. There has not been any edit warring in the recent period.
• No previous GA reviews.

General comments

• Prose, spelling, and grammar checking.
  • other character's death → latter character's death.
    •  Done
  • No problems were found in the rest of the article.
• Checking whether the article complies with MOS.
  • Add alt text to images.
    •  Done
      • Kimberly Brooks image does not have alt text.
  • What about merging the Promotion and merchandise section into In other media?
    •  Done
  • Recommended wikilinks:
    • Lede: Shepard → Commander Shepard
      •  Done
    • Character overview: BioWare → BioWare, xenophobia → xenophobia, Shepard → Commander Shepard
      •  Done
    • Development: Kimberly Brooks → Kimberly Brooks
      •  Done
    • Appearances: SSV Normandy → Normandy (Mass Effect)
      •  Done
  • The article complies with MOS:LEDE, MOS:LAYOUT, MOS:WTW, and MOS:WAF guidelines. There are no embedded lists within the article, so I am skipping MOS:EMBED.
• Checking refs, verifiability, and whether there is original research.
  • References section with a {{reflist}} template is present in the article.
  • No referencing issues.
  • Listed references are reliable.
    • There are four YouTube references, although from verified channels (IGN, EA, Mass Effect), so this could pass.
    • What is The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 and The Art of the Mass Effect Universe?
    • Forbes article was written by their staff so it passes.
    • Origin in the infobox is unsourced.
    • First paragraph in the Mass Effect 3 section is unsourced.
    • Ref 2 and 3 are missing pages.
  • See below for spotchecks:
    • Ref 1 only backs up the first usage.
    • Will spotcheck Ref 3 once pages get added.
    • Ref 5 nor 6 back up that "She ties her hair into a bun".
    • Ref 14 does not mention the following: Geth, Eden Prime, SSV Normandy, Richard L. Jenkins, genophage cure, Urdnot Wrex, nuclear warhead, salarian and turian, medal...
    • Ref 9, 12, 17, 23, 25, 26, 27, 32, 33 verify the cited content.
  • Checking potential copyright violations.
    • First comparison is with a porn website which is not 100% identically written as on Wikipedia but this could be an instance of close paraphrasing. This website has been online since 2006 while this article (and this text in particular) was created and added in 2020. The text it also detected is the one I could not verify in Ref 1 (at the time of the creation of the article this text was unsourced). I doubt that the user who wrote this here actually copied this from a porn website so, we would actually need a source that would back this content up.
    • Other comparisons are alright because they are quotes which are properly used in the article.
• Checking whether the article is broad in its coverage.
  • The article addresses the main aspects and it stays focused on the topic.
• Checking whether the article is presented from an NPOV standpoint.
  • The article meets the criteria and is written in encyclopedic language.
• Checking whether the article is stable.
  • As noted in the initial comments, there has not been any edit warring in the recent period.
• Checking images.
  • All looks good, images are properly licensed.

Final comments

@Greenish Pickle! and Haleth: As of writing this, some issues have been already addressed. Most of the issues remaining are related to references and a potential copyvio. Looking at this version of the article, the Appearances remained unsourced until pretty recently. If we look at other GAs, the Appearances section is always full of references. Some of this remains unsourced, and some of this has failed verification. However, I am willing to put this on hold for a few days, probably until Wednesday. I am on the edge of quick-failing this but I'll give this a chance. These issues should be fixed and I'll come back to check later (ping me here when you finish). --Vacant0 (talk) 13:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what are you talking about. The appearances section were already cited plus you couldn't cite everything on a game's plot. Also, the porn website probably copied Wikipedia. Me and especially Haleth wouldn't copy a porn website in a first place. I'll maybe ask perhaps @Kung Fu Man for better explanation about this. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 19:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

It's a program that checks a page against other websites to make sure there isn't a copyright violation, i.e. too much text copied directly. In this case the porn site is showing a lot of stuff copied because it listed info off wikipedia, so you're fine.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Ref 1 is used three times in the article. Out of those three instances, only the first one is actually backed up in the source. Other two instances where the source is used do not back up the content in this article. Ref 14 which is used once does not back up most of the text in the Mass Effect section under Appearances. I've added {{failed verification}} tags next to those paragraphs so that you can find them easily. To sum this up, you will need to find sources that actually back up that certain part of text in this article. Vacant0 (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay Thanks. Ill try Work on it later. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 20:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I've also checked Ref 16 and that too fails verification. My recommendation would be to look at newly-promoted GAs about video game characters such as Ardyn Izunia, Wooloo, and Tinkaton. Multiple references are, of course, allowed for this section and that is what you should look to do. You can even add the video game as a source itself (like in Ardyn Izunia), but only if it is properly referenced (e.g. at what point in the game do we learn that Ashley is the sole survivor of her squad following a surprise attack by the Geth on the human colony world Eden Prime), though this would take more time, so you should look for website articles first. Vacant0 (talk) 20:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I just reliazed that its hard to cite mass effect characters appearances and I took it for granted unlike Resident Evil. I guess I should be given up. Feel free to close this as quick fail. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 20:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

You can re-nominate the article for a GA review once the issues from this GA review get addressed. Otherwise, the next GA review could be quick-failed under criteria QF5. Vacant0 (talk) 20:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for checking through out. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 20:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

ill try and work on appearances sec later. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 19:51, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Summary:

• Two references are missing pages.
• Two references (The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 and The Art of the Mass Effect Universe) should be expanded.
• There is unsourced content (Origin in the infobox).
• But most importantly, there is content in this article that fails verification (located in Character overview and Video games section). Without the presence of reliable sources that could verify this material, this could be counted as original research. There is also a possibility of copyright violation in one instance, though I doubt that the user who wrote this copied the material from the porn website where the text is present.
• With additional approval from the nominator, this article, for now, fails the GA criteria. The nominator should address these issues first before re-nominating the article for another GA review. --Vacant0 (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.