Talk:Andover F.C./GA1

GA Review

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This article is certainly a credit to the club, and is pretty close to the good article criteria in my opinion. There's quite a bit to get through, so I'll be posting up my comments in two or three batches, so to speak. To get us started:

• "Traditionally, Andover's supporters have viewed Salisbury City as their local rivals, although nearby Winchester City have recently come to be viewed this way thanks to their recent rise up to the same level as Andover together with Salisbury's progression through the football pyramid." It isn't at all clear to me what's being said here. Presumably "recent rise up to the same level" means promotion to the same league, but what's the additional relevance of their progression through the football pyramid?

• It was referring to Salisbury being promoted to higher levels than Andover. Upon review, I don't think there's much need for this level of detail in the lead as this statement is also mentioned in the Supporters section further down, so I've deleted the last part.

• "During the next thirty years, the club competed in three separate small leagues which were run side-by-side during the space of each regular season; the Hampshire League, the Salisbury and District League, and the North Hants May League." This reads very awkwardly to me. During the space of each regular season? What's an irregular season?

• The mentioning of a 'regular season' is probably irrelevant as we didn't have playoffs in those days, so I've deleted regular. I've also altered the opening of this sentence slightly as the club played one season in a higher division (i.e. they didn't play thirty consecutive years in the county leagues as the sentence seemed to be implying).

• "... as they won two more Hampshire League championships and the County Senior Cup for the first two times in the club's history." I don't unerstand this at all.

• Sentence changed to "They had success during period between 1948 and 1951, winning two more Hampshire League championships as well as winning the Hampshire Senior Cup for the first two times in the club's history. Hopefully that's clarified it now.

• There are a few terms throughout the article like "Andover are currently members of the Southern League Division One South and West", "... recently accumulated over a thousand games in this league", "... the past ten years have been relatively successful ones". These terms will age, and obviously depend on when the article was written. Better something like "The years from 1998–2008 were relatively successful ...", for instance.

• Sentences changed to:

• Since the 2007–08 season, Andover have been members...
• ...and played its thousandth game in this league in 2008. (I've removed the last part of this sentence to make it read better)
• ...the ten years from 1998 to 2008 were relatively successful ones for Andover.

... more to follow. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to review this. My responses are above. Bettia (rawr!) 09:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Second tranche

• Has permission to use the Andover-salisbury-2008.jpg image been lodged with wikipedia?

• To be honest, I wasn't aware that permission had to be sought from Wikipedia, just from the photograph's owner. The image itself has a fair-use statement and appropriate licence, and this hasn't been flagged up as an issue. Bettia (rawr!) 15:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I wasn't being clear. You don't need permission from wikipedia, but evidence that the photographer has given permission for the image to be used under a suitable licence (an email, for instance) has to be lodged with wikipedia. --Malleus Fatuorum 16:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• I see. I'll do that tomorrow, but in the meantime I've added a link to a screenshot showing this permission being given (unless of course this screenshot is sufficient...). Bettia (rawr!) 16:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• The link apparently giving permission for the Portway stadium.jpg image to be used is broken.

• Well that's a pain. The link was a link to a forum thread which seems to have been deleted. For the time being I've replaced it with a link to the main website. Bettia (rawr!) 16:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• Both of the above images should really have a summary description, along the lines of that given for Andover FC attendances.png.

• Done

• "In their first season back, they finished in ninth place, just five points from the playoffs." I think that "playoffs" needs just a little elaboration.

• I've added some relevant wikilinks. Bettia (rawr!) 16:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• "... with matches between the two teams often attracting larger attendances." Larger attendances than what?

• Added "... than average for Andover's home games"

• "Their association quickly grew, and was at its closest during that season's FA Vase ...". I see that the clubs were rivals, but what is their association?

• Perhaps 'association' was the wrong word. I've changed this to 'rivalry'.

• "Andover's reserve team has operated for most of the club's history in various competitions ...". The word "operated" here seems strange.

• Changed 'operated' to 'played'.

• "The twelve-strong consortium who saved the club in 2003 are the club shareholders, with the club president being the majority shareholder, the club chairman being the secondary shareholder, and the remainder of the shares distributed equally among the other members of the board and management committee." I don't understand this at all. What does "secondary shareholder" mean? Are the shares reallocated as the officers change position, or are the positions allocated for life, based on number of shares held?

• I've amended this sentence to show that the secxondary shareholder is the one holding the second-largest number of shares.

• "If the target number of 100 participating supporters is achieved, a total of £6,000 would be raised by this scheme ...". Is it proposed to run this scheme just for one year?

• I'm not entirely sure, but I think it will be continuing after this season.

That's about it, I think.

--Malleus Fatuorum 15:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Responses above. Bettia (rawr!) 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• OK, that'll do for me. I'm happy to accept the screenshot you've now linked to as sufficient evidence that the copyright holder has agreed to release the these two photos under an appropriate licence. I'm not certain that will be enough to satisfy the image police if they should come knocking though, so ideally you'd get an email from the copyright holder giving permission and forward that onto wikipedia's OTRS. As with this image, for instance. On the topic of emails, you might like to blank out your own email address on the screenshot, just to be on the safe side.

• I'm happy to list this article as a GA now. It's a very nice, thorough, and well-written piece of work. Sorry you had to wait so long for the review.

--Malleus Fatuorum 17:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.