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Reviewer: Hchc2009 (talk · contribs) 18:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)Reply


I'll read through and begin the review proper tomorrow. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for all the work on this - I'm about to pass it. Hchc2009 (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear and concise, respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct;

  • "Arved von Nolcken" in the lead - it would be useful to term him "Baron Arved von Nolcken" as in the main text, as most readers won't know who he was.
    • Done
  • "Alatskivi Castle is one of the many structures that exist in a forested park of 130 hectares (320 acres) area, the largest in Tartu County." I'd suggest: "Alatskivi Castle is surrounded by various ancillary buildings and a forested park of 130 hectares (320 acres) area, the largest in Tartu County." (this focuses the text on the castle, as opposed to the park)
    • Incorporated
  • "The park contains many oaks, ashes, maples, alders and an approach path lined with linden trees." "...and has an approach road lined with linden trees" (word missing, and I'm pretty sure it will be a road rather than a path - you must be able to get vehicles up and down it easily?)
    • Done
  • "An arch entrance leads to the castle along a path lined with linden trees." - "arched entrance" ("arch entrance" would mean something very different!) and I'd suggest "road" rather than path.
    • Corrected
  • "The earliest mention of the manor was in 1601." - in the lead you say that it dates to the 16th century, but the only date in the main text is the 17th century date of 1601?
    • Changed to 17th century
  • "its ownership passed on to the Cronmanns. " - I'd suggest "on to the Cronmann family." to make it clear.
    • Yes, done
  • "The castle was re-built from 1876–1885 on the initiative and according to the design of the Baron Arved George de Nolcken (1845–1909)" I don't think you need "on the intiative" here - if he designed it, it's a safe bet that he wanted it rebuilt. Or you could have "Baron Arved George de Nolcken (1845–1909) rebuilt the castle between 1876–1885 according to his own designs."
    • Incorporated
  • "designed as a smaller version of Balmoral Castle, which he had visited in 1875" - I'd suggest "designed as a smaller version of Queen Victoria's Balmoral Castle in Scotland, which he had visited in 1875". Just gives the context for readers unfamiliar with British castles.
    • Done
  • "After nationalization occurred, the castle complex was taken over by the government under the Ministry of Agriculture" - when did nationalization occur?
    • Year mentioned now
  • "It has been fully refurbished" - do we have any date for when this occurred?
    • Yes, 2011
  • "Author Ain Hinsberg refers to the manor house " - "author", or "writer"? I'd suggest the latter.
    • Done
  • " it features a slate roof and turrets,[3] with stone masonry to an asymmetrical layout. The building has both single story and double storied floors." - I'd suggest "The castle is built to an symmetrical plan, with single and double-storied wings, turrets and a slate roof."
    • Adopted suggested change.
  • "It serves as a community house for seminars, training programmes and small conferences, with three halls of varying seating capacity, and a canteen caters to the needs of the participants." I'd suggest "It serves hosts seminars, training programmes and small conferences, and is fitted with three meeting rooms and dining facilities."
    • Done
  • "Alatskivi rural municipality and the Estonian Theatre and Music Museum were associated with its establishment. " - in what way were they associated? I wasn't quite sure what this meant.
    • Deleted the sentence
  • "Eduard Tubin who was one of Estonia's most esteemed composers" - "was" or "is"?
    • Changed
  • "The museum also houses a large-scale model of the castle and plays the music of Tubin" - do you mean that they "host concerts of Tubin's music"?
    • Corrected
  • "The 130 hectares (320 acres) Manor Park" - "The 130 hectares (320 acres) large Manor Park", or "The 130-hectare (320-acre) Manor Park"
    • Changed
  • "A hiking track is laid through the park and it is integral to the Alatskivi Nature Reserve." - how is the track integral to the Nature Reserve? I couldn't quite visualise this.
    • Sentence modified
  • "Two reservoirs have been created on the Alatskivi River." - "There are two artificial reservoirs along the Alatskivi River."?
    • Changed.
  • "although the statue has been shifted to Kadriorg Park in Tallinn." - "has been moved"; do we have a date for when it was moved?
    • Done. Date is not available
  • "the distant fourth circle" - "the outer fourth circle"
    • Done

(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Factually accurate and verifiable:

(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout;

  • "Presser & Baker 2012" - this isn't formatted quite right; it needs to be: "Presser et al. 2012"
    • Sorry about this error. Only three names are accepted in harvnb. The other three authors have to be shown as coauthors. hence I have changed it to [1] I hope it is acceptable.

(b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;

(c) it contains no original research.

  • Is "fake-English-castle style" a direct quote, or a translation? If the latter, I think it may be a slightly off; the usual English phrasing for this would probably be "as having been designed as a mock-English castle"? Hchc2009 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
    • Done

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Illustrated, if possible, by images:

(a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

(b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Well. I must add that despite its short length it's comprehensive, we couldn't write a Castell Coch type article on it anyway, put it that way!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

  1. ^ Presser, Brandon; Baker, Mark; Dragicevich, Peter; Richmond, Simon; Symington, Andy (1 July 2012). Lonely Planet Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania. Lonely Planet. p. 78. ISBN 978-1-74321-304-9.
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