Talk:Air Napier

PROD

Delete - Fails WP:NOT, I concur with proposer.Petebutt (talk) 10:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• Are you aware that you've linked to WP:What Wikipedia is not?  Unscintillating (talk) 04:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't look notable. It must have been written by the company itself - 2 notes are pointless - one is a list of licensed NZ air carriers, with partial addresses, and another a company listing on a site that notes the details and existence of corporations. The third source mentions them once at the very end, in a sentence that isn't even completely about them, indicating they started a rival service in a Navajo. The lengths some folks will go for advertising.NiD.29 (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Note that the site [1] is the official New Zealand companies register, it's an extremely reliable source, but not useful for the purposes of proving notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the list, being an official govt document, is reliable, but it doesn't confer notability anymore than having a telephone book listing does. The other refs also added don't come close to meeting WP:CORP as they are just passing mentions of the company. - Ahunt (talk) 12:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

discussion about the wp:notability of a certification as an air carrier

A directory listing (or telephone directory listing as you call it) documents a data entry person noticing the text enough to get it printable or viewable, an airline certification is a regulatory process that involves bureaucrats conducting analysis and providing ongoing regulatory attention such that there will not be an airplane accident causing the politicians and societal leaders that fly on certificated airlines to demand explanations.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Having worked in aviation regulation development I am very familiar with the air carrier certification process, but as everyone else notes above, all air operators are thus listed and while it shows the company exists, it is a directory listing and does not confer notability to Wikipedia standards any more than a listing in a phone book does. - Ahunt (talk) 11:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Both the phrase "everyone else" and appeals to authority are each forms of logical fallacies.  A telephone directory entry with the phone number of Air Napier is just a directory listing, an airline certification is a noticing enforced by politicians who fly on these planes and who empower bureaucrats to routinely notice such organizations in great detail.  The two are not comparable.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:36, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

An identical argument could be made about the companies office database (and the charities office database), but there's no way the bulk of those companies and trusts are notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't follow that, politicians don't fear for their lives if an office database crashes.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Merger and redirect

As per the AFD outcome the applicable content has now been merged to List of airlines of New Zealand and this page redirected. Please do not recreate this article is it will be speedily deleted under criteria G4. - Ahunt (talk) 12:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Well technically I think it would just get re-redirected.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I just carried out the instructions of the AFD closing, due to the list formatting the applicable content was only two bits of information, the ICAO code and home base, so, yes, mostly it is a redirect. - Ahunt (talk) 10:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)