Talk:2019 Swiss federal election

Number of votes and percentages: some problemes

The percentages in the Council of States election make little sense as (in most cantons) every voter has got two votes. For example: if in a Canton everyone would vote for the same two persons and those two persons belong two different parties, the currently applied methodology would show both parties getting 50 % of the votes, which would not reflect how people actually voted. It’s also very uncommon in Switzerland to describe the percentages the way they are currently. If percentages are given at all they are based on how many of the actual voters voted for the individual candidates, for example in the german Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resultate_der_St%C3%A4nderatswahlen_(2019%E2%80%932023). Also it makes little sense to add the Council of States votes nationally - partly for the same reason, partly also because the whole point of the Council of States is that the cantons size does not matter.

Regarding the National Council the number of votes indicated in this arcictle may also be misleading, as every voters has as many votes as there are seants in a certain Canton, thus inflating the number of votes in the big Cantons. There were not 900'000 people voting for SVP in Aargau, but rather some 60'000 --So-Gast (talk) 12:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

So-Gast, Alright, I knew something was wrong when I typed in the results for Aargau. Should we just copy paste the tables from German Wikipedia and remove the non-% votes bracket on national level for both National Council and Council of States? --Semsurî (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

For the council of States I would definitfely proceed this way. For the National Council the Federal Office of Statistic (FOS) uses the statistical concept of “fictional voter”, which is also used in the German Wikipedia (although in a few stated cases lists are there assigned differently than by the FOS) - it gives you kind of a sense of how many people voted, although as these are not actual voters, removing the non-%-brackets might also be an option for the National Council. --So-Gast (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The fictional voter figures were used for the results table in the last elections, although they were not available for every party at the time they were added to the article. Number 57 16:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, because they can be easily calculated, as I've done in https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_Parlamentswahlen_2019/Resultate_Nationalratswahlen. The OFS makes their methodolgy clear and they indicate the total number of fictional voters by Canton (as well as the number of fictional voters for "other" parties and which lists are considered belongig to the "others"), so the formula is (on cantonal level)=[Number of votes for Party X]/[Total number of votes in the Canton])*[Total number of fictional voters by Canton], this can be controlled by the total number of fictional voters for "other parties", and the same is true on a national level (just add the cantonal numbers per parties and control by the national numbers of total fictional voters (and fictional voters for "other" parties) indidcated by the OFS. Due to this beeing fundamentaly simple calculations, I would'nt considered this "original research"--So-Gast (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Wait, why were all the detailled results by cantons deleted? We agreed that a national table couldn't be done because some cantons have one vote while others have two, but that doesn't mean we can't have the result of each cantons independently. The deletion should be removed.--Aréat (talk) 11:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Changing the Infobox

Given the large number of parties that have won seats to the National Council, wouldn't it make more sense to change the template used for the election from Template:Infobox election to Template:Infobox legislative election? Using the TILE template would both allow for every party to be featured that won seats, as opposed to just the top nine parties, and the formatting would make it more conducive for displaying the results of the Council of States elections as well. I understand, however, that such a change like this might have to be applied to all other Swiss election articles that make use of the TIE template in order to maintain some consistency between the articles.

--12zaPziP (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I would strongly support this, and agree it should be done retrospectively for the previous elections for consistency. Number 57 20:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Bondegezou (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)